2.0 TFSI LOBA SMF/SACHS Clutch Kit Review

Lee M

Guest
SACHS/LOBA SMF Clutch Kit – 2.0 TFSI

SEAT Leon Cupra Stage 2+

I’ve had the kit fitted for over 5k miles now so I thought I’d do a review of how it’s been so far.

My clutch needed replacing because it had just started to slip and I wanted to get it sorted before it caused me any issues. The car had done 30k miles.

I spent quite a bit of time trying to find a kit that fitted all of my requirements as close as possible, which was OEM feel, useable on a daily basis, no rattling/excess mechanical noise and capable of handling the up-rated power of the re-mapped car. I considered a few of the big name kits, speaking with suppliers, specialist garages and various forum users to help make my decision.

My research had told me that to retain as close to OEM feel the best solution was to re-install a OEM DMF and up-rated clutch kit. However I’d also found that there were a few issues surrounding clutch failure on the TFSI standard and modified cars that pointed to DMF failure as the cause.

I made a decision to go for the LOBA Single Mass Fly/Sachs kit based on other user’s feedback and research. I also received some great advice from Simon at LOBA, who responded quickly and honestly to my many e-mails. Plus helpful advice from AMD Technik (Essex) who luckily for me were a stockist of the LOBA/Sachs kit.

Following the removal the fault was down to a dual mass flywheel failure.

The First 500 Miles
When I first picked the car up I noticed straight away that the clutch pedal was heavier than standard, but not as much as I was expecting. Some increase in clutch pedal feel and pressure was expected with an up-rated kit. The initial feel of the clutch engaging was a bit more aggressive but feeling positive in its operation.

I had to get used to the biting point of the new clutch when setting off as you need to adjust to the different feel of the kit. In essence you need to give higher revs when engaging the clutch.

Noise wise there is a very slight sound of the flywheel when the car is idling or when you lift off the clutch and coast under engine load. But compared to others that I’ve heard it is hardly noticeable. I’m a pretty fussy customer and I can easily live with this on a daily basis. You get a slight increase in noise from the SMF on idle if you have the A/C switched on.

The only downside to the kit was the smell of clutch that you initially get when setting off and worse when reversing, this was something that worried me but was advised that it would stop after approx. 300 – 500 miles of use, which it did.


500 – 5k Miles
Having been driving the car for a while with the kit fitted I am really pleased that I chose it. Now that the kit has bedded, in nicely it is great to drive on a daily basis and it’s not far off of OEM feel.

Don’t get me wrong the pedal is still heavier than standard but you do get used to this early on, also the slight mechanical noise is still there but as I said before its not too intrusive.

The kit so far has coped well with the up-rated power, providing smooth gear changes and easy operation.

As a compromise between fitting and up-rated kit to your modified TFSI and retaining a useable clutch that doesn’t spoil the every day use of your car, the LOBA SMF/Sachs kit is a great choice.
 

JayCee

Active Member
Apr 8, 2010
236
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Isle of Man
That pretty much agrees with how I have found my setup post install. Still have a little smell from the clutch when reversing if you need to slip it a little and it is noticeable noise-wise when idling, windows down in the recent hot weather, but it is perfectly liveable-with and the performance and feel is spot on.
 

calvR

Active Member
Oct 21, 2011
392
2
Kent
Nice review Lee! I've been debating about which clutch to go for myself! If you don't mind me asking, how much was the kit + install in total?

Josh

Its just over 1300 quid at Amd essex.

However mine is very noisey with the air con on, and very noisey engine braking.
No smell at all with mine tho
 
Jul 6, 2013
528
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West Yorkshire
Sorry to bring an old thread back to life, but I'm looking at the same kit at the moment as I've just stripped mine down and there seems to be a lot of play in the flywheel(excessive if you ask me) but it had a new clutch put in it before I bought it. He never replaced the flywheel??? My question is, our lass drives the car nearly daily as we have two cars and don't like it parked on the drive all the time, would she be able to manage it with it been heavier that the standard and how aggressive is it? Having to slip it to reverse isn't ideal especially for the women and my hears, cause she'd chew them off if it turned out to spoil the drive.

Cheers in advance
Lee
 

Lee M

Guest
Sorry to bring an old thread back to life, but I'm looking at the same kit at the moment as I've just stripped mine down and there seems to be a lot of play in the flywheel(excessive if you ask me) but it had a new clutch put in it before I bought it. He never replaced the flywheel??? My question is, our lass drives the car nearly daily as we have two cars and don't like it parked on the drive all the time, would she be able to manage it with it been heavier that the standard and how aggressive is it? Having to slip it to reverse isn't ideal especially for the women and my hears, cause she'd chew them off if it turned out to spoil the drive.

Cheers in advance
Lee


First off surely you could have thought of a better user name....... :)

Mine drives fine mate, no slipping required. However it is heavier, and had a slight mechanical noise on idle.
If it's not mapped or driven hard most of the time a replacement dual mass flywheel might be your best bet for oem feel.

Cheers

Lee
 
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Jul 6, 2013
528
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West Yorkshire
My car was at stage 2 Revo until it melted a piston and now I'm rebuilding the engine with forged piston and uprated con rods so if I ever wanted to up the power it will be safe. I'm planning it been stage 2+ when I get it back on the road and run in. So ideally I need a good clutch that will be ok for the woman......... I read on another thread about the clutch been hard to get into gear at high revs? Do you ever have that problem?
 

Lee M

Guest
I've not mate 'touch wood' but I know others have. Helix systems also seem to be popular. Try Alex at AKS Tuning, he will be able to advise

As for easy to drive, any unrated clutch will add a bit more heaviness send feel to the pedal.
 

sambryant

RoadRunner meep meep
Mar 26, 2009
4,847
2
Bristol
I recently purchased the helix kit with luk dual mass flywheel. It was a easy choice as the loba single mass kit has issues with no customer service. Clutch won't disengage at high revs. This is not something I read, my friend tried this kit from loba, bought from aks tuning. After fitment it was clear it had issues. Alex at aks offered to check it out, ended up refitting it, again same issue. Loba have passed the buck and blame sachs, it's a sachs issue and not ours. Really great when there supplying it in there kit.
Anyway, the clutch is no good and aks have sorted out a helix replacement out of there own pocket as loba were not willing to take the blame.
Very disappointing in loba, not recommended.
 

sambryant

RoadRunner meep meep
Mar 26, 2009
4,847
2
Bristol
Ps my helix kit is spot on. Again slightly heavier pedal but feels nice after 200miles of driving. Very much Oem, first 100miles were tricky lol
 
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Jul 6, 2013
528
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West Yorkshire
Brilliant, thanks for the advice. Looks as if I'll be going for the helix clutch. What price is the helix kit roughly. Fitting is no problem as it will be done at home before the engine goes back in.
 

duncinascoob

Active Member
Jun 28, 2010
158
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Scotland
I went for a new oem LUK Dual Mass Flywheel. Euro car parts can do them faaar cheaper than anyone else, especially if you know someone in the trade!
And the Sachs uprated clutch and sachs release bearing.

I'd agree with the original post:-
Initial smell that goes away +/-500 miles (worse when reversing as you ride the clutch a little)
Firmer pedal feel - this also dies down to be not too far of oem
Although no additional noise for me as I opted to keep the DMF.

More importantly - what caused you to melt a piston??
 
Jul 6, 2013
528
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West Yorkshire
Under fueling for some reason? Someone says the HPFP failed but no logs on VAG com and no warning lights came on? And I cant find anywhere that can test the pump? Injectors are fine,cam lobe is fine. I'm going to write a thread as soon as I hear back from the machine shop about the block.
 

duncinascoob

Active Member
Jun 28, 2010
158
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Scotland
Not so good. APR have the facilities to flow test the HPFP, not sure if they offer the service though.
If you were having it upgraded by APR they would probably test it first though.

Golden rule is to figure out what failed and why before sticking another engine in there, only to go through the same pain again!!
 
Jul 6, 2013
528
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West Yorkshire
Yeah that's what I'm trying to do at the moment, only thing I haven't tested is the HPFP but I think I'm replacing it with a loba unit. Hopefully the machine shop will ring me tomorrow. Then I can start a thread. Sorry for the hijack ha ha.
 

duncinascoob

Active Member
Jun 28, 2010
158
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Scotland
Cant access the page from work but Samtech Performance is as cheap as I could find the Sachs kit from a reputable source. It includes the Sachs release bearing.
Last I checked it was about £580.

I also ordered new oe flywheel retaining bolts and clutch retaining bolts. Think they were about £20
oe LUK DMF from Europarts is about £300

All in about £900 for the parts.
 

oisin mc r

Active Member
Jul 20, 2010
93
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Bury manchester
Cant access the page from work but Samtech Performance is as cheap as I could find the Sachs kit from a reputable source. It includes the Sachs release bearing.

Last I checked it was about £580.



I also ordered new oe flywheel retaining bolts and clutch retaining bolts. Think they were about £20

oe LUK DMF from Europarts is about £300



All in about £900 for the parts.


Would the oe dmf handle the power and torque from stage2+?


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AlexK1

Active Member
Apr 20, 2014
545
2
Poole
You can get a Sachs friction plate and pressure plate for £455 from darkside. Doesn't come with the bolts or release bearing though. I think the general view with the DMF is it's easier to replace or swap to SMF when changing the clutch to prevent premature clutch wear/failure. Not exactly a cheap option though...


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