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2016 1.4tsi 150 front spring broken
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The numbers that you've quoted just seem to be supplier stock numbers, for your info the front springs with single YELLOW BLUE ORANGE, are VW Group p/n 5Q0 411 105 CP which seem to be Sachs 993 923 as genuine Sachs supplied parts and Lesjofors 4095126.
Now, I seem to remember that the number on Lesjofors springs that I bought were different to the applications listing but the same as what was on their boxes - plus other Lesjofors numbers were on the boxes - but that was over a year ago.
Autodoc still supply Sachs branded springs but they are normally more expensive than Lesjofors from them.
I do understand that you are leaving this to your garage to source the parts, but I'm just posting this info in case someone comes across it in the future while searching for this info.
Now, I seem to remember that the number on Lesjofors springs that I bought were different to the applications listing but the same as what was on their boxes - plus other Lesjofors numbers were on the boxes - but that was over a year ago.
Autodoc still supply Sachs branded springs but they are normally more expensive than Lesjofors from them.
I do understand that you are leaving this to your garage to source the parts, but I'm just posting this info in case someone comes across it in the future while searching for this info.
Not that bad. I've replaced both rear springs on my son's Ibiza and one rear spring on my Leon. The genuine VW part is not that much more than aftermarket. You can probably find very cheap aftermarket springs but at that point you have to start asking questions about the quality. Really cheap stuff is cheap for a reason.
I would replace one spring if it was a genuine spring that was going on but if it was aftermarket I'd replace the two. I only replaced the one broken spring on my car. The part that went on was identical to the one on the other side it behaves perfectly. For me it's worth paying a little more to get a part you know is right and is going to work properly. Over the years I've had mixed results with aftermarket bits. Some of it was so bad I took it straight back off, it just depends on the part.
I only ever fit Lemforder Germanyfor arms, bushes etc, bilstein for shocks, pagid for brakes and was sachs for clutches and springs as I thought sachs was still sachs and not another company using their name. Now I know.
if the car was mine i would have fitted eibach pros as used these on bmw before and know they are by far a superior spring but it's not mine lol.
The car now sits correct height and is actually a little less harsh over bumps which is actually good. I read somewhere on here before about the harsh ride of these and recommendation was the shocks, this is not my experience though. The spring is definitely the place I would start. Eibachs are progressive. Good bump absorbing and perfect stiffening in the twists. Then I would look at b6 shocks for sprty ride or sport actives but a fresh set of b4s ( factory spec) are very good with eibach. Sorry went off topic lol
if the car was mine i would have fitted eibach pros as used these on bmw before and know they are by far a superior spring but it's not mine lol.
The car now sits correct height and is actually a little less harsh over bumps which is actually good. I read somewhere on here before about the harsh ride of these and recommendation was the shocks, this is not my experience though. The spring is definitely the place I would start. Eibachs are progressive. Good bump absorbing and perfect stiffening in the twists. Then I would look at b6 shocks for sprty ride or sport actives but a fresh set of b4s ( factory spec) are very good with eibach. Sorry went off topic lol
Hate to brake it to you - but those brands are not 100% OEM either! They use other producers.
ECP brought rights to the Pagid brand for example.
That's a shame. I have always fitted pagid brakes to all my cars. I have a car that I put pagid on 100k ago and the hubs of them are still the grey colour that they were treated with. Never had a pagid dic wear, never warp. And never had to replace again after fitting. I really hope they are still as good. Always found them top quality and better lasting than oem. Intact they used to supply manufacturers. I had them on bmws, vauxhalls, Peugeot and the current seat thats had them for 3 years now. Still mint.
Not saying they are good or bad - just that they are NOT the OEM product in a Pagid box!
Yes, you do find some OEM pads from Pagid or usually Textar - but these are NOT the same pads as they sell in the aftermarket.
Just for an example, most OEM pads use fine blanked back plates - and the (very expensive) tooling for these is usually owned by the vehicle manufacturer (BMW/Ford/VAG etc) - so even of they wanted to (when the economies of scale don't work), they would not be allowed to use the OEM tool to make the back plates.
I can not find any info on epc having anything to do with pagid other than being an outlet to sell them. Hella bought the remaining 50% stakes in hella pagid out right from TMD friction. Their braking systems are classed as OE spec and i believe the do still supply some manufactures with components. Maybe not a supplier direct any more (i could be wrong) but definitely used to under the TMD umbrella. I think BMW use texter pads and Brembo discs in their premium models that are owned by TMD friction.
Whenever any brand says OE spec, or OEM equivalent - just take this as marketing BS!, everyone uses this term.
For an example using my rear brake, the OEM (original equipment manufacture) pad is made by Textar.
Front OEM pad is Galfer.
Pagid have also
Textar is the manufacturer of this OEM pad - TRW is the brake system manufacturer, so VAG have used TRW (1st tier supplier) to develop the caliper/brake system - and TRW have used Textar (2nd tier supplier) to make/develop the pad/friction.
T4402 FG is the Textar OEM friction material.
fine blanked back plate, unique friction material, thick multi layer anti noise shim.
The Textar AM (aftermarket) version using T4316 EE friction material:
mid level shim, more generic AM friction material, and conventionally stamped back plate.
EE is the AMECA (hot/cold) friction code - with EE being a lower friction level than FG of the OEM.
Pagid using PA857 EE AM friction material with what looks like a worse shim compared to Textar.
AMECA friction coefficient examples:
You can find rare examples where for example the Porsche Cayenne OEM pad made by Pagid and is the same as the AM version, but then the AM version will be £200/300/400+
You get what you pay for sometimes applies!
I have seen a few variants of aftermarket stuff especially when I had my bmw where the bmw stamp was grinded off ( could still tell though lol) and sold in a different branded box. Cant remember what it was though.
I think the company that makes parts for the manufacturer also sold parts online under their brand name and filed the manufacturer off the parts it had for them.
These are good threads though. Would be really interesting to get a list of aftermarket stuff that supply manufacturers for part replacements.
Ps I know TWR parts from Peugeot days. I know they are a trusted brake component.
I think the company that makes parts for the manufacturer also sold parts online under their brand name and filed the manufacturer off the parts it had for them.
These are good threads though. Would be really interesting to get a list of aftermarket stuff that supply manufacturers for part replacements.
Ps I know TWR parts from Peugeot days. I know they are a trusted brake component.
Grinding off OEM brand names can happen on diesel/fuel stuff, electrical components, and maybe some other parts like steering and suspension, I brought a windscreen washer pump from my parents Cmax with the FOMOCO clearly ground off - think that might have been febi?
It doesn't (can't) happen with braking though because legally due to ECE R90 brake pads (and now discs) pads need to display certain information including manufactures part number, friction material code and batch numbers etc..
The genuine pads also don't need ECE R90 (so no E1 90R-xxx number) If the manufacturer did have a lower volume part they wanted to put in an AM box they would have to spend a few grand getting it R90 homologated.
Best advice for pads would be to look for images for the genuine OEM parts you need - and look at the numbers printed on the back, see who made it - not the big brand TRW/Bosch/ATE etc.. but the actual friction manufacturer - and compare that to images of their aftermarket version. 95% would be different level of product - but can happen on lower volume parts like I mention above.
Lemforder tend to supply VAG and BMW and probably others, and tend to grind the marques ident off them, or when dealing with idents stamped on metal pressed parts, paint that area with gloopy matt black paint/stuff. It is only the rubber parts that can't be given that treatment, for instance, the Lemforder supplied bonded mounting bushes on Golf etc and Polo etc front lower arms.
And there are the copy parts, for some reason I spotted a set of 4 wheel centres that were the equivalent of the correct VW p/n for my wife's Polo's winter wheels, being sold by OnBuy who seem to be another Temu sort of operation, for £3.80 delivered they could possibly be okay, but maybe good enough to smarten up winter alloys, so I ordered them. They arrived by "tracked 48 hours Royal Mail" today, first annoying issue was, they had a "6N0" first part of the part number instead of the advertised "1J0" so meant that they were flat instead of being domed - and the stick on VW badge was mounted offset on all 4! A quick look on their website and I selected "return item", reason for wanting to return them being "wrong part, not as advertised" - and sent that "off", within 2 minutes "refund given" and that was dumped back into my Paypal account - or will be soon. Then an email says as a gift to cover my inconvenience I can hold onto them! These parts had all the correct looking VW Group info moulded onto the inner face like the real ones do, packaging seems to indicate that they came from a manufacturer in China - not really a surprise.
Oh well, that plan didn't go too well! Peeling wheel centres can remain on until I get these wheels powder coated - or sold on when the car is sold on sometime in the future.
With things like winter wheel centre covers it can be okay to play dangerously - but not for critical car parts.
And there are the copy parts, for some reason I spotted a set of 4 wheel centres that were the equivalent of the correct VW p/n for my wife's Polo's winter wheels, being sold by OnBuy who seem to be another Temu sort of operation, for £3.80 delivered they could possibly be okay, but maybe good enough to smarten up winter alloys, so I ordered them. They arrived by "tracked 48 hours Royal Mail" today, first annoying issue was, they had a "6N0" first part of the part number instead of the advertised "1J0" so meant that they were flat instead of being domed - and the stick on VW badge was mounted offset on all 4! A quick look on their website and I selected "return item", reason for wanting to return them being "wrong part, not as advertised" - and sent that "off", within 2 minutes "refund given" and that was dumped back into my Paypal account - or will be soon. Then an email says as a gift to cover my inconvenience I can hold onto them! These parts had all the correct looking VW Group info moulded onto the inner face like the real ones do, packaging seems to indicate that they came from a manufacturer in China - not really a surprise.
Oh well, that plan didn't go too well! Peeling wheel centres can remain on until I get these wheels powder coated - or sold on when the car is sold on sometime in the future.
With things like winter wheel centre covers it can be okay to play dangerously - but not for critical car parts.
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