Any one had problems with 1.2 tsi engine?

deanz cupra tdi

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Nov 23, 2007
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Just wondering if anyone has had trouble with the 1.2tsi as I know the 1.4 tsi seem to have a lot of problems. I'm going to get a remap but still undecided after reading the 1.4 troubles
 

MjrSharpe

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I got mine remapped about four months ago. Its now around 130bhp and I fully reccommend it. Acceleration is better right across the range and its much more eager as well. I have never had any problems and it hasnt used a drop of oil. Go for it :p
 

deanz cupra tdi

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Nov 23, 2007
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Sounds good. The only thing that bothers me is of it started having engine problems like the 1.4 and they look and see its been mapped they will void the warranty.
 

deanz cupra tdi

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I've not heard anything other than the first ones going back for the software update and turbo shim or whatever it was
Does anyone know why they had to have a software update and what they actually did like detune etc
 

MjrSharpe

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I just had mine serviced for the first 10k there and there was no software update and mine had not been recalled beforehand either. My mum has a pre facelift tsi though and her's was brought in for said update, so maybe the problem was rectified on the facelift models.

Ps moggoytom : it cost £250 which included a dyno run before and after and a graph showing the difference.I got mine done by autotune in Ballymena in Northern Ireland.
 

Seat-Ibiza-jake

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That's a point ! Not sure if the update would wrk with a remap. I believe some places will store your original map though

I've been getting quotes since I've owned the car. your looking at anywhere from £299.99 to nearly £400.00.

The reason being, I think is because with the engine being so new. some places are unsure of doing it. to remap this car the actual ECU chip has to be removed from the car. so storing your origional map may not cause a problem. However putting it back on the car will.

The bolts are tamper proof bolts so once removed they have to be replaced with new one's. So you have to factor that into the cost also.

I will be getting my car remapped (1.2 TSI FR 105PS) but I'm going to wait until a few more people do it. Like guinea pig's. And see if they get any problems a few month's down the line.

I live in Newcastle and the places that will do it are...

Revolution 24/7 Motorstore in gateshead. £349.99
SEDOX performance in sunderland £299.99

I've only been to one that said they don't have the map currently and that was eclipse performance in Sunderland.
 

deanz cupra tdi

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Nov 23, 2007
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Probably all sorted then for the facelift models. Ill just bite the bullet and do it. Ill just get it turned back to stock if anything happens.

How much difference in your opinion does the remap make?
 

deanz cupra tdi

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Nov 23, 2007
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That's incorrect. They can be mapped through the OBD port and I can get it done near me for £225 he has done a few now. He says they should get around 130bhp but are coming out at 144bhp on the rollers
 

Seat-Ibiza-jake

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That's incorrect. They can be mapped through the OBD port and I can get it done near me for £225 he has done a few now. He says they should get around 130bhp but are coming out at 144bhp on the rollers

roller's are'nt alway's accurate. But I know what you mean. You probably can. I personally wouldn't skimp on this type of work. But that's just me. I have no problem paying the money. I just want to see if anyone's goes bang first.
 

MjrSharpe

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Yeah mine was done via. OBD. In terms of differnce I can honestly reccommend it. I sometimes drive my mums car which is a 105 tsi and it feels much less eager, and the acceleration is nowhere near as good either, yet initialy I was very pleased with perfromance of the original map. Once you have it remapped though its hard to imagine it without it.
 

MjrSharpe

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Graph showing before and after dyno results.

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deanz cupra tdi

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Nov 23, 2007
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roller's are'nt alway's accurate. But I know what you mean. You probably can. I personally wouldn't skimp on this type of work. But that's just me. I have no problem paying the money. I just want to see if anyone's goes bang first.

I wouldn't just get anyone to do it as I'm the same especially with a new car. The guy that does it has had no bad feedback at all so ill be happy to use him.
 

deanz cupra tdi

Fr power
Nov 23, 2007
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Yeah mine was done via. OBD. In terms of differnce I can honestly reccommend it. I sometimes drive my mums car which is a 105 tsi and it feels much less eager, and the acceleration is nowhere near as good either, yet initialy I was very pleased with perfromance of the original map. Once you have it remapped though its hard to imagine it without it.

Sounding good to me. Just want it to pick up a bit quicker as some times it feels like its lagging. Ill get it booked it soon and get it done.
 

Seat-Ibiza-jake

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Sounding good to me. Just want it to pick up a bit quicker as some times it feels like its lagging. Ill get it booked it soon and get it done.

I know what you mean. I have the same car. 1.2 TSI FR (105PS)

I think its the ECU that limit's the amount of boost within the rev range. But it feel's when I'm in first gear there's no boost at all... then second it begins to kick in.

so it can't be "lag" if there's none at all in 1st gear can it? I mean you can stay in1st gear in a car park for 30 minutes if you like and you won't get any boost, so that has to mean its the ECU limiting boost?

I'm curious to know if the re-map stops this from happening?
 

MjrSharpe

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My car is dsg so I cant really speak for first gear because im usually in second quite quickly even in s setting. However Ive heard that vw wouldnt allow a six speed coupled with the 1.2tsi in the ibizas probably for fear that it would be too competitive with other cars in its wider stable. This would tie in with little or no boost in 1st gear, as it would impair its take off slightly more, yet not enough to put people off buyong one. Having said this , looking at the graph I put up a few posts ago, boost does seem to kick in at just over 1000 rpm even before the remap.



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medview

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I agree that first gear is hobbled by a lack of turbo boost in 5 speed manual 1.2TSI's but my theory is that it's the clutch can't cope. Gearbox vulnerability is a close second contender.
I'm sure there's other factors too.

It's interesting that in over 3 years of applications in VAG cars no 1.2TSI variant has ever exceeded 105ps/175nm, even when lumbered with the burdensome weight of a Yeti.
Even the DSG variants leave first gear early, and they have different clutch/gearset arrangements entirely.

What else is there to force VAG to limit first gear power?

Joe
 

MJC-DEV

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I'm looking to get my 1.2TSI remap done by Celtic Tune in Cornwall as they seem to be the only ones near me. £360 for a generic map gives 105 to 125hp according to their data. They come to you at home or work so must be via ODB port. I have heard that the standard car is more than 105hp but probably as much to do with dyno calibration and 105 could be a minimum for mass production.
 
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