Bigger turbo on way! I hope! lol

[The MoffMeister]

Bigger turbo is HERE!!!

Hey all posted up about going BT, was going to do gt28rs but after speaking and and seeing people who have had both, im going to do GT2871R instead, its a better spool up and more BHP for a smaller CC engine, plus same size as 28RS.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/m...tp&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-022&Category_Code=BCS

Here's my question though, firstly what turbine housing and what is it exactly does it mean and also the flange i presume it would be T25?

Now i know most bits i need to get with this but if people could please confirm or agree/disagree that would be great before i go out and buy the stuff..

Injectors 550cc.... STILL NEED
4 Bar fuel pressure thingy.... STILL NEED
S3 fuel pump.... STILL NEED
Maf housing... STILL NEED
Manifold? any suggestions, on inlet and normal type? STILL LOOKING
Fmic.... BROUGHT
Exhaust.... BROUGHT
3" DP.... HAD OFFERS
Mapping.... HAD OFFERS
Clutch.... LOOKING
Valves.... BROUGHT
Rod's.... BROUGHT
Pistons.... BROUGHT (well tom)

If i've missed anything i'd be grateful of the help please guys

cheers again

 

[HarveyGTI]

Hey all posted up about going BT, was going to do gt28rs but after speaking and and seeing people who have had both, im going to do GT2871R instead, its a better spool up and more BHP for a smaller CC engine, plus same size as 28RS.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/m...tp&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-022&Category_Code=BCS

Here's my question though, firstly what turbine housing and what is it exactly does it mean and also the flange i presume it would be T25?

Now i know most bits i need to get with this but if people could please confirm or agree/disagree that would be great before i go out and buy the stuff..

Injectors 550cc
4 Bar fuel pressure thingy
Maf!! Do i use an s3 housing and use original sensor or just use bigger one to start with??
Manifold? any suggestions, on inlet and normal type?
Fmic Brought
Exhaust Brought
3" DP
Mapping
Clutch

If i've missed anything i'd be grateful of the help please guys

cheers again

erm, a BIG credit card or alot of money

 

[cupra_matt]

This is the route iam taking with my ibiza, I dont think you will need a 4 Bar FPR stick with the 3 BAR.

ATP are currently out of stock of the GT2871R as i have already ordered my kit.

are you doing the internals of the engine ? as this kit should make near 400 BHP

 

[Yumann]

You'll deffo need rods for a gt2871r mate no buts unless you hold it back a bit then there is no point you might aswell get a gt28rs.

As for flange it is a t25, and the a/r depends on what you use it for. For road use go for a small a/r .64 to reduce lag, dont bother with lower custom a/r as you can choke the turbo.

As you have a cupra you'll need an s3 pump or some sort of booster pump to handle that power. There are two mani options for garret flanges that I am aware of for rhd mani Bill's or JBS.

Best of luck buddy.

 

[HarveyGTI]

You'll deffo need rods for a gt2871r mate no buts unless you hold it back a bit then there is no point you might aswell get a gt28rs.

As for flange it is a t25, and the a/r depends on what you use it for. For road use go for a small a/r .64 to reduce lag, dont bother with lower custom a/r as you can choke the turbo.

As you have a cupra you'll need an s3 pump or some sort of booster pump to handle that power. There are two mani options for garret flanges that I am aware of for rhd mani Bill's or JBS.

Best of luck buddy.

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[Feel]

AET also do a cast T25 flange 1.8T manifold. Don't know if anyone runs it, or even if it fits, but their stuff is supposed to be good...

http://www.aetturbosonline.com/

Might be useful for other bits and bobs too.

Also, I'd choose a mapper now and talk to them - let them tell you their requirements on fuelling, you might save a packet by buying the right stuff from the start.

 

[myk3]

ok mate this is the turbo you want http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garrett-Turbo...ryZ72205QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

i ordered that one this week, ask for 64A/R with T25 exhaust housing.

just to let you know the 2871r will not spool quicker than a GT28RS (prob around 100rpm slower). The 2 are the same physical size and the 2871r is a better turbo choice overall.

myk3

 

[Feel]

What for Mike? You've not had your eliminator that long?

 

[myk3]

I strongly advise you choose Bills mani...as speaking with a friend who had the JBS turbo, with the ATP manifold, he had 4 of them as each one cracked

however I think JBS do their own one now, but in terms of customer service....go with Bill

yes a good manifold and down pipe like Bills is a great idea over cast manifolds.

and i too agree with the preference in customer service! i have had bad experience with JBS!

myk3

 

[myk3]

What for Mike? You've not had your eliminator that long?

i got a blow at the manifold to head and if i am going to remove the old kit im not going to fit it again, i have had all the internals, clutch, diff done etc, so its a good excuse for an extra 50+ or so BHP with quicker spool.

after i sell the old kit and milltek DP the damage wont be too bad! overall its a cleaner and neater install with a shed load more power and quicker spool.

 

[The MoffMeister]

ok guys many thanks for all the info, this is the route im taking..

Will be getting internals done but first am wanting to do everything else, so turbo etc etc, i will get it mapped and hold back on power until i get internals done the engine has only done about 10k so thats why to.

Cupr Matt i have seen the gt2871r on ebay from turbo company they have 3 of them in stock, what else are you getting with your install ie inlet mani etc

Yumann i presume you mean fuel pump? didnt think about that one, but will put that on list to cheers.

Myk3 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garrett-Turboc...QQcmdZViewItem, thats the one i was looking at yes, seeming you've done it with 28 elim, what probs would i incur with this, as i know 28 had probs with gear linkage etc? and am thinking about fitting it myself, what you think ok or not?
Also i know someone who has had both no offence meant, he said its spools up quicker and is better for lower CC engines to but obviously more info the better, also you say one will spool up slower then you say it will spool up quicker ?? haha cheers

Harvey its called getting your bank charges back from the tight arse gits so you can do BT, really cant wait want to sh*t my pants again lol

And last one, the manifolds your on about do they cause probs with any routes of orignal pipe work etc as im confused why the eliminator caused probs for people was in the inlet or main manifold etc

And a clutch not sure on what torque this will give but need a good clutch think i have contact through myk3, but wondered what else is there?

 

[myk3]

The eliminator GTRS has the same sized compressor wheel and housing as the GT28RS, and the turbine again is the same size as the GT28RS. The only issue is the stock K03s exhaust housing on the Eliminator which delays spool from the real GT28RS around 4-500rpm.

So when comparing a real GT2871r to a GTRS Eliminator, although the eliminator is a slight smaller turbo (compressor wheel is 11mm smaller) the 2871r will spool faster due to the fact the exhaust housing on the 71r is allot more efficient.

A real GT28RS to a real GT2871r will spool around 100rpm or so faster, no great big deal which is why the 71r is the better option.

 

[The MoffMeister]

now i see lol

As for Tip will i now need an lcr/s3 seeming as i'll be going bigger maf?

Just bought turbo, should be with me soon

 

[smoothuk]

Rob, give Spanny a cal re. clutch, im sure there is something he can do for you, and i know he is coming down soon mate, gotta be worth an ask fella. Very interesting read will be good to see it all come together ion the end

 

[Yumann]

I strongly advise you choose Bills mani...as speaking with a friend who had the JBS turbo, with the ATP manifold, he had 4 of them as each one cracked

however I think JBS do their own one now, but in terms of customer service....go with Bill

I wasnt talking about shitty ATP mani's! Atp do not do a rhd t25 manifold anyway!

As for jbs's and bill's mani I must object to that both are just as good, however both have different design ideas think wall vs thin wall etc...

I'd just like to add JBS stuff is made by tigart and there very good!

 

[myk3]

yah Guy makes great manis and Down pipes!

 

[HarveyGTI]

I wasnt talking about shitty ATP mani's! Atp do not do a rhd t25 manifold anyway!

As for jbs's and bill's mani I must object to that both are just as good, however both have different design ideas think wall vs thin wall etc...

I'd just like to add JBS stuff is made by tigart and there very good!

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[Yumann]

Tig art will sell you them!

 

[myk3]

it may be good, but the parts supplied are only as good as the customer service that goes with it....and so far, I'm only hearing bad things about JBS

Yah this is very true! they also don’t seem that helpful they always seem to need you to bring the car to them when really it isn’t that necessary.

Yumann, tig art is the same as going through JBS the customer service isn’t any better, when I phoned Guy he was great and happy to help. But JBS would not allow any parts from tig art to be shipped to UK customers without going through them!

Then you just talk to JBS who have a give a sh!t attitude.

I dont see why we have to pay more from JBS when it really would be cheaper for us to order them in direct for Guy in Israel!

oh well just my personal experience

 

[The MoffMeister]

ok appreciate the info and that guys as you mentioned guy in israel is there a contact email or anything??