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Clutch Slipping

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A lot of the same thing over on Briskoda at the moment, both standard and non standard BHP clutches slipping. There is a deglazing idea on one thread but not for the faint hearted,
 

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Mmmm well today ive taken it out, push it hard and noticed that the slipping can happen anytime and sometimes it doesnt, most odd. Ive lost power without doubt, it was slower going beyond 70 than what it has done. Surely this is a warranty job or seat realise the issue. I would like to state this is unmodded FR so it worries me for people who are revo'ed!
 

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Ok just phoned local dealer, explained to them the issue they said that if its the worse case, i.e. clutch replacement, then im covered by warranty as its low mileage (mentioned that anything beyond 25k is getting to wear n tear stage). He did mention though that it could be a sensor thats failed, something like a MAF or MAS (cant remember which one he said) that could explain the power loss.

What i would like to know is whether its possible that the clutch setup is wrong and that rather than fully locked into place that the clutch is slightly released at all times despite the pedal being fully up. Can that happen?
 
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robcornwall2003 said:
Ok just phoned local dealer, explained to them the issue they said that if its the worse case, i.e. clutch replacement, then im covered by warranty as its low mileage (mentioned that anything beyond 25k is getting to wear n tear stage).

My clutch began slipping around 15k, have learned to live with it to a degree. However recently (i.e. the cold snap) it has got much worse. If I give it a fistful in 2nd it slips from lowdown the rev range.

With the 40k service looming I thought that this time I will get it looked at as my car is still under warantee. I just hope your statement isnt the stance my dealer will take!
 
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Mint FRST said:
robcornwall2003 said:
Ok just phoned local dealer, explained to them the issue they said that if its the worse case, i.e. clutch replacement, then im covered by warranty as its low mileage (mentioned that anything beyond 25k is getting to wear n tear stage).

My clutch began slipping around 15k, have learned to live with it to a degree. However recently (i.e. the cold snap) it has got much worse. If I give it a fistful in 2nd it slips from lowdown the rev range.

With the 40k service looming I thought that this time I will get it looked at as my car is still under warantee. I just hope your statement isnt the stance my dealer will take!

TBH youll be very very lucky if they will change a clutch at that milage.
 

muddyboots

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Agreed, some clutches will have worn out by that stage anyway depending on how & where the car is driven, so I doubt you'll have any chance at 40k :(
 

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robcornwall2003 said:
Mmmm well today ive taken it out, push it hard and noticed that the slipping can happen anytime and sometimes it doesnt, most odd. Ive lost power without doubt, it was slower going beyond 70 than what it has done. Surely this is a warranty job or seat realise the issue. I would like to state this is unmodded FR so it worries me for people who are revo'ed!


mine did it a few times tonight but its notconsistent or related to a specific gear.

i find dipping clutch a few times or riding it a bit to heat it helps :cry:
 

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Well mine did it again pretty bad on the 29th Dec - early and cold morning - this time up hill and in 3rd. Slightly dangerous as it was a mergin point on a dual carriage way - I had to back off quickly as I was about to pass a car on the outside, but the slip reduced my acceleration and we'd have both merged into each other.

Phoned my local(ish) dealer - County Motors (Teignmouth). Service manager said he was unaware of problem and would fax a technical report to Seat-UK and get back to me in a few days.

Mileage still under 16K.

Plenty pi$$ed off and want it sorted -- don't think this is acceptable at all.

So I await some positive news. May fax the service manager this whole thread too.


MARK

Anyone else had any joy recently with their dealership (ie getting theirs changed under warranty) ?
 

muddyboots

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Wheely said:
Anyone else had any joy recently with their dealership (ie getting theirs changed under warranty) ?
I had mine changed under warranty at the back end of 2003, as it was slipping in higher gears (4/5/6) when accelerating around 1800-2100 rpm IIRC.
Mileage I think was around 14-15k when it got changed.
 

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My Ibiza Cupra TDI has just been in for its 20k service at Amethyst Cheltenham.
I explained about the clutch slipping before the service and they confirmed it was, they told me that it was covered on the warranty but if the clutch. after inspection. was found to have been mistreated then I would have to foot the bill! £517 inc vat......

I told them to have a look and tell me if it was my fault before changing it!

I have drove all of my previous cars hard (Saxo VTS, Clio 172) and the clutch has never slipped on them, so a bit of stick every now and then shouldn't cause the Cupra to play up.
 

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zac_69_uk said:
My Ibiza Cupra TDI has just been in for its 20k service at Amethyst Cheltenham.
I explained about the clutch slipping before the service and they confirmed it was, they told me that it was covered on the warranty but if the clutch. after inspection. was found to have been mistreated then I would have to foot the bill! £517 inc vat......

I told them to have a look and tell me if it was my fault before changing it!

I have drove all of my previous cars hard (Saxo VTS, Clio 172) and the clutch has never slipped on them, so a bit of stick every now and then shouldn't cause the Cupra to play up.


HOw would you mis-treat the clutch?? And how could they prove it?
 

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The remap was causing clutch slip on mine, and it started in the cold weather. Using more than half throttle anywhere between 2000 and 2600 rpm especially in 4th-6th would cause the revs to jump 500 up before dropping after a cuple of seconds (then you start moving).

Back to stock, no clutch slip at all. Seems weird that some are getting slip with no chipped cars - I thought these clutches were ok for 300lb ft and anything above that you get bother with. I'll be staying stock for a while, esepcially as the weather meant gears 1-3 were near unusable (wheelspin) and then clutch slipping afterwards. I'd be amazed if I could get under 10 seconds 0-60 with it chipped at the moment.
 

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Actually come to think of it the engineer mentioned that if it was deemed faulty by abuse (riding on the clutch on hills for example) then i would have to pay for it. However, if it turns out that i get mine replaced and its me they say who's done it then ill either get trading standard involved or uprate the clutch to race spec depending how i feel on the situation. I have to be honest though i dont riding the clutch nor do i do motorway travelling often so i think ive got a good case if i can prove it.
 

LNeves

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Commom guys...

You're booting a TDI in 4th/5th/6th whatever around 2K rpms ?!?!?
That's near it's peak torque ...

Your're asking for a torque generous engine to deliver all it's torque to a
clutch that has to pull a ton on high gears...

Just down shift and boot it after 2.5K at least.
 

muddyboots

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Commom guys...

You're booting a TDI in 4th/5th/6th whatever around 2K rpms ?!?!?
That's near it's peak torque ...

Your're asking for a torque generous engine to deliver all it's torque to a
clutch that has to pull a ton on high gears...

Just down shift and boot it after 2.5K at least.

Fair enough if it's been remapped - but an unmodified car should stand up to normal driving, and accelerating in those gears at those engine speeds is a fairly normal thing to do...
 

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muddyboots said:
Fair enough if it's been remapped - but an unmodified car should stand up to normal driving, and accelerating in those gears at those engine speeds is a fairly normal thing to do...

You're bang on there mud. The car should be able to pull in whatever gear in whatever weather so long as your not labouring the engine - and 2k in any gear certainly isnt doing that!

For gods sake, you are supposed to be able to pull trailers and caravans with them arent you ;)
 

LNeves

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Sure, but under certain circumstances, you'll get a minor slipage.
Cold weather, as someone mentioned, is main cause.
Torquier engine, kind of cold transmission, low revs @ high gears.

Recently I've read about a stock Leon TDI 110 HP with that problem.
Cold morning, the car had been started 5 mins before and he booted the car in
5th @ 60 mph (low revs) and had a slippage.
So far so good, and never experienced that again till now.

It shouldn't be normal but it does happen. :(