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Cupra 280 Nurburgring Nordschleife 7 min 59.501 BtG
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I fully agree with your statistics point of view and it seems only reasonable to assume that my car won't be affected.
Before the Seat I had an e92 M3 which had a stage 2 tune, Akrapovic cat back with 200 cel and an Alcon big brake kit on it. I had cylinder 6 con rod bearing go needing a new engine. BMW coughed up under warranty without a quibble partly due to a known issue with this component. They recognised that M cars get used as such and therefore took the approached that if components failed under duress it wasn't an issue.
I don't get the same attitude from Seat even though they made a song and dance about the 280 cracking a sub 8 and being the fastest FWD car around the Nordschleife (for a little while at least).
Anyway, i'm not knocking the VAG they've made an excellent car. I know what I need to do, just want to make sure the drive train can take a REVO stage 1 under extreme duress not just daily driving before I commit.
To that end, anybody with REVO maps out there on their 280s can you go and do loads of trackdays please!
Before the Seat I had an e92 M3 which had a stage 2 tune, Akrapovic cat back with 200 cel and an Alcon big brake kit on it. I had cylinder 6 con rod bearing go needing a new engine. BMW coughed up under warranty without a quibble partly due to a known issue with this component. They recognised that M cars get used as such and therefore took the approached that if components failed under duress it wasn't an issue.
I don't get the same attitude from Seat even though they made a song and dance about the 280 cracking a sub 8 and being the fastest FWD car around the Nordschleife (for a little while at least).
Anyway, i'm not knocking the VAG they've made an excellent car. I know what I need to do, just want to make sure the drive train can take a REVO stage 1 under extreme duress not just daily driving before I commit.
To that end, anybody with REVO maps out there on their 280s can you go and do loads of trackdays please!
Nice driving! Looks like a good amount of fun.
I myself am weary of taking mine to The Ring. I couldn't bare it should something happen to it.
Although the thought of actually stretching her legs is tempting.
I myself am weary of taking mine to The Ring. I couldn't bare it should something happen to it.
Although the thought of actually stretching her legs is tempting.
Looks like your 7.59 BTG lap was spot on according to the auto motorsport supertest on the 280 with PS Cups. They ran an 8.14 (Golf R 8.15) for the full lap.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...rdschleife-in-unter-acht-minuten-8981768.html
It will be interesting to see the Supertest when they get hold of a customer Sub8 pack car to see if the bigger brakes and bit of weight loss really are worth 16 seconds or so a lap.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...rdschleife-in-unter-acht-minuten-8981768.html
It will be interesting to see the Supertest when they get hold of a customer Sub8 pack car to see if the bigger brakes and bit of weight loss really are worth 16 seconds or so a lap.
I done Brands last week and the brakes/pads didnt fade at all, surpised me i must say, when i run the Megane at Brands it did, mabe down to compounds , i think the sub 8 and the brembos on the Megane are almost the same set up.
That's interesting to see. Having better brakes on the front will definitely help, no doubt they will help the unsprung weight but it might help with the rear end friskyness when coming down hard due to more brake force applied to the front axle, as well as decreased stopping distances. Also, having 50kgs less or so helps everything else.
I know some people bemoan manufacturers when they take A/C out to save weight but it really helps especially when trying to gain 10ths each corner.
16 seconds would be a hard task but then again if you have a track that's closed to the public, as many fresh tyres as you want and the support of a manufacturer it becomes a bit easier.
Yeah, I saw a sub 8 at the Nordschleife last weekend and the Brembos definitely look very similar to the Megane setup.
How was it around Brands? Was it the Indy circuit?
My advice really isn't any different to anybody else's.
Make sure you car is in good working order before you go, watch loads of videos that show the way the track goes. I wouldn't worry about the fastest lines in the beginning it's such a long course you won't remember for a long time anyway.
Take it REALLY steady and build up speed over many laps, as a rule of thumb if you can't see the clipping point or the exit of the corner it's a late entry. Many people crash because they turn in too early get off the throttle due to not being able to make the ever tightening corner and have a big liftoff oversteer moment, panic and crash.
If you take it easy you shouldn't have a problem. It's all about building pace over many laps.
One last thing some of the cars out there are ridiculously fast so you need to watch your mirrors, read the rules on the boards around the entrance and you'll be fine.
Nothing to fear.
It was fun at Brands, not as sharp as the Megane but pulls lower down the rev range and was easy to string laps together. Found the std brakes and the Bridgestones coped well, never gave me any twitchy moments, done about 45 laps got faster the more i grew to trust the car as it was my first time on track with it, got a sub 60sec lap towards the end. Must say the car surprised me in how well it went.Yes was the Indy circuit.
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Same, surprised me how quick the car is around a track. Its a very good all rounder.
Enjoy it mate. Im surprised how few people with Cupras do track days with them, they are a very capable track day car.
the car may be capable it's usually the owner's who aren't
You may have just opened a whole can of worms lol
Oh, I will - got 4 track days booked already and haven't got the car yet!!
What tracks you booked on?
the car may be capable it's usually the owner's who aren't
I tend to agree. People think they're a lot faster/better than they really are.
I am not saying I'm the fastest thing ever, quite on the contrary if I went up against any semi or pro racer I would get my arse handed to me.
Thing is I know I'm not the fastest thing out there so I've done many different track days and had instruction off of people like Cat driver training to make me acceptable.
If the average driver accepted they aren't the fastest and had appropriate training not only would they get a lot faster they would be so much safer on track. The amount of crazy lines lines you see at the 'ring or other UK tracks is astounding.
Just look on YouTube for Nordschleife fails you'll see endless times where people crash because they don't understand what will happen if they do a certain action in their car.
I know that sounds a bit 'I'm so great' but I really don't mean it like that. I find it strange that people spend so much money on making a car so much faster than they're capable of driving, when they should learn how to drive their car to its limits. I'm not talking about brakes and tyres as they will melt when used hard but extensive modifications to other components.
Once they've got their car sussed then start making it faster.
Fully agree with this point of view. I've spent a lot of time and money to become distinctly average on track. The truth of it is I spend far more time on road so on road 'bad habits' (as far as track technique is concerned creep back in - adding lock at the apex remains my repeat fail. Best money I've spent has been on both road and track instruction and car limits handling type training. Upgrade the driver before the car would definitely be my suggestion too.
Reading this back it sounds like work and effort when in actual fact the process of learning and improving is a massive amount of grin inducing fun.
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