Look before I begin here I just need you both to understand that you can get any number you like with a dyno, im sure I can find one that says I have 400bhp if I really wanted to so we cannot take such statements as evidence.
No, he REALLY means 250 whp.
He meant this (245 whp in that graph):
http://www.vwgticlub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30113
I guess this engine isn't getting to much attention but has loooots of potential. This is very impressive and I understand the reason to doubt. But then again, there was a time where nobody could believe a simple 1.8t 20vt could make 235 bhp wiht a remap, just because big names where getting 215 bhp. BUT time proved us wrong.
I think the same is happening, this engine is fairly new, and all the attention is over GTI's and S3's and fewer are involved with this engines.
Greeks are known for exploiting little engines, because due to taxes, little engines are more affordable to get. So, they develope EVERYTHING for them and push the bounderies. So yeah, I beleive those numbers.
Here in Mexico, I've seen (from another greek/german brand) 260+ bhp with stage 1 and apr intake... While APR is getting 250 bhp. My point, as I said before, not because big names aren't getting those numbers, doesn't mean they are not achievable.
Cheers.
You lost me at Greeks and taxes...
ANd post related..
I have a A3 8V and installed a 3'' decat downpipe + resonator + muffler delete.
I really felt a difference. With a stage 2 you WILL definetely feel a diference bro, not just in numbers, but driveability, and sustain the torque higher in rpms
A resonator is a muffler, so what did you do that for?
I think we are all in agreement that downpipe and stage 2 will drive much better than without.
Also Remember this is not a k03 turbo.. This is a IHI turbo, better designed and the engine is better also.
I remember a friend of mine installed on his
MK2 leon 1.8 tsi a GTI IHI TURBO and got 301 bhp...
I doubt half the people in the mk3 section even know what a Ko3 is, so i'm pretty confident no one is making that mistake.
Youre talking about a mk6 IHI and a gen 2 1.8 tsi, different sizes and designs entirely so you cant use that in comparison, that said 300 bhp is still optimistic so I refer you to my first sentence.
Hi i have the 1.8 tsi engine in the
mk3 Leon &have now made
280 bhp 322 of torque with pipercross induction kit, forge dv, neuspeed power pully kit, tbe bcs power valve exhaust system &the rollers are pretty accurate my eddy 30 stage2+made 360 on same rollers
Danny, sounds like youve spent a lot of time and money in you mk3 and it looks great too, only thing I'd say is get rid of the forge and get a gfb and go buy yourself S3 fmic. I am unfortunately still a little hesitant to accept your
280 figure, but you should logically be close, once you sort that cooling out
There you go, another testimony...
What remap are you using?
I too am curious who the tuner is, and I am not suggesting that APR will have the best map by far, I dont know and I doubt they will, but what I am suggesting is that if they have spent the time to produce a stage 2 map then it shouldnt be so far off the mark from a stage 1 tune by somebody else?
Lets not forget the initial statements in this thread is that a somebodies stage 1 tune is producing 34bhp than the worlds most infamous tuner's stage 2, thats the pill no one can swallow!
And as you say, all the attention is on the GTIs and Cupra's of this world, so then surely there should be a difference between GTI's and 1.8tsi's stage 1 figures, or do you think its logical for both produce 290bhp given the hardware differences?
And dont think that im bashing the 1.8, im always a supporter of the underdog, and with the polo coming out with the 1.8 again it can only generate more interest and tuning products for you, so exciting times! The day I am forced back to a derv, i'll be going to get one of those pocket rockets as a second car.
BUT the BIGGEST and most DAMNING evidence and weapon in my arsenal on this holy crusade of keyboard warriorness, is the sole remaining fact that numbers sell! And in my years of being bored at work reading car forums, I have learnt that nobody massages a dyno or bhp figures like the masters at APR! So should another tuning company come out with higher figures then they do, I automatically cast doubt on it.
