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DOWNPIPE upgrade
- Thread starter JekaE
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To graham:
I went for that setup for sounds. And better flow.
I understand everything you say. But then we should no trust any dyno plot? Danny is stating he did it in the dame rollers he had his other car measured. And yeah of course dynos can be influemed I get that.
Gti are getting over 310-320 bhp stage 1. So not the same as 280-290 bhp.
Dynos are a just another reference point at the end. Drag times or track times are better at measuring real time perdormance at the end... So i'd be happy when winning some races and feeling my car fast personally.
I went for that setup for sounds. And better flow.
I understand everything you say. But then we should no trust any dyno plot? Danny is stating he did it in the dame rollers he had his other car measured. And yeah of course dynos can be influemed I get that.
Gti are getting over 310-320 bhp stage 1. So not the same as 280-290 bhp.
Dynos are a just another reference point at the end. Drag times or track times are better at measuring real time perdormance at the end... So i'd be happy when winning some races and feeling my car fast personally.
It was a tongue in cheek comment that I made, as you said you had added a resonator and deleted the muffler, but what I am saying is that resonator is another word for muffler so they are the same thing.
No, i dont think we should trust a dyno plot, the only way to be certain is to be a dyno day with the same dyno, operator and conditions. Hence the dyno lottery. He is saying that yes but we dont know what the variables are or even if thats a readout by the tuner trying to peddle his product, ie. not independent or reason to be slightly biased.
GTI's are not getting over 310 stage 1, yes we can all pull a story from facebook where some kid in Thailand gets 340bhp with just a panel filter and a tune, but here in Blightly where the weather is cooler and the fuel is better ive seen independent dyno plots posted showing 290 for stage 1 and 320 for stage 2 (hardware dependant obviously). Everybody wants to promote there high bhp dyno plots and success stories but the fact is a lot of claims you read on the net are over exaggerated.
Lets look at this way, lets say on the off chance that someone with some skill gets 300 out of a gti, then they are likely to get 360 out of R, which is a logical gap youd expect to see between the two. Are we really supposed to believe that the gap between the 1.8 and gti is only 10/20bhp? Id appreciate someone confirming the hardware differences between the two but if the R is anything to go by the 1.8 is gonna have:
-200cc of less volume in the engine
-A smaller FMIC
-A smaller IHI turbo
Thats gonna equate to more than 20bhp isnt it.
But I agree, ultimately feeling and the real world is what is important, maybe not drag strips unless you have haldex, us fronties will just be happy with our in gear times more than anything.
Yeah I mean I left the center box, and deleted the back box. Sorry.
Ok, let's just say this 3rd gen engine, is way more efficient tnah the 2nd gen, and has lots of potential. I'd ve very happy with 250 bhp in any case, and 260 bhp with stage 2. I won't even be able to measure mine anyways, the closest roller Is far from my city hehehe.
Good debate.
Ok, let's just say this 3rd gen engine, is way more efficient tnah the 2nd gen, and has lots of potential. I'd ve very happy with 250 bhp in any case, and 260 bhp with stage 2. I won't even be able to measure mine anyways, the closest roller Is far from my city hehehe.
Good debate.
It is way more efficient and has much more potential, completely agree, the new engines have twice as many injectors iirc for a start and im confident those figure are attainable now and will be beaten by the end of its life cycle, its still new after all.
What I wasnt able to accept was the 250whp / 290bhp from a stage 1 lol maybe stage 2 one day tho, I hope anyway, were all the same EA888 so an advancement for one is an advancement for the other imo.
Hi the tuner is ade tuning local to me but the guy really knows his stuff if you were at gti international 2015 he tunes the 2 fastest cars down there the 700 bhp lupo &the 800 bhp scirocco very reliable rollers I had a very well speced no expense spared eddy 30 made 362 bhp &run a 13.6 1/4 mile the bcs power valve makes more than milteck exhaust done a run with both &5bhp in it ill post the graph up now
Hey mate, with any car it's about getting it in quickly and getting it out quickly! So, improving the efficiency of both = gains.
Stage one would be ecu, induction kit, larger intake hoses etc. That'll get you 225 / 230 bhp. Stage 2 you'd be looking to upgrade the dp and intercooler, then you'd be looking at the 245/250 Mark max! Stage 3 would be upgrading the turbo to an is20 or is38, but going to stage 3 isn't doable without upgrading the previous items, well, apart from chucking in an organic clutch to handle the extra sex as well!!
But going back to the original question, I would say yes, but at the right stage. There's no point installing a dp if you're not running extra boost, apart from exhaust tones. I hope I made some sense haha
Stage one would be ecu, induction kit, larger intake hoses etc. That'll get you 225 / 230 bhp. Stage 2 you'd be looking to upgrade the dp and intercooler, then you'd be looking at the 245/250 Mark max! Stage 3 would be upgrading the turbo to an is20 or is38, but going to stage 3 isn't doable without upgrading the previous items, well, apart from chucking in an organic clutch to handle the extra sex as well!!
But going back to the original question, I would say yes, but at the right stage. There's no point installing a dp if you're not running extra boost, apart from exhaust tones. I hope I made some sense haha
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