Engine revs when I accelerate hard

[Mitchy]

I don't get this.

Isn't the clutch only used during gear changes. How can accelerating in a given gear at low revs damaging the clutch. Unless you're slipping the clutch in order to accelerate???

What do you think connects yours engine and gearbox

Low revs in TC car = High torque values
High Gear + High Torque value = Long time riding that high torque curve.

Use 300lbft for 20 secs accelerating in 6th

Or

Use 300lbft for 10 secs accelerating in 5th/4th

What do you think will cause more general wear and tear

caec....Surprising the mechanic or garage did not know what clutch slip was Make sure you take it to a different garage when you get it sorted

Clutch slip will happen with any engine, just wear and tear at the end of the day. Clutch slip obviously more common on higher performance TD's such as the 130/150/170 vag units especially if remapped.

Could of course be oil dripping onto friction plate and causing it to slip rather than wear on the friction plate! Best getting it checked as too much slipping can damage the flywheel in turn.

 

[Romeoisgraham]

110% clutch.

Happened to me, exact same symptoms

Lazy driving accelerating in 6th gear at low mph riding the high torque especially if remapped.

Knew what it was just by the title of your thread

Your clutch isn't broken like you would normally think, there's just not enough material left on the friction plate to hold the high low down torque, it slips against the pressure plate hence why it eventually grips again the further up the rev range you go when torque value is lower.

Your clutch wont fail though if thats what your worried about, it just wont put down low end torque without slipping.

However do this too long and you risk damaging the flywheel, and they are certainly not cheap £5-600 so better getting it seen to asap really.

Listen to Mitchy..............hes right

 

[caec]

Thanks Mitchy & Romeoisgraham - mechanic did think it was clutch slip but was puzzled as it did not happen all the time.

I had a Celica & Corolla GTi in the past - over 133000 miles on Celica & 124000 on other. Same clutch! Presumably, this problem only affects high performance deisels (mine is standard Cupra TDi)? But does anyone know if this is a problem across VAG range? If it is, then I think they should contribute towards repairs. Anyone else agree?

 

[Mitchy]

Nope its down to lazy driving.TD have high amounts of low end torque.

Accelerate hard from 40-50mph in 6th gear and your destroying your clutch. You need to use your gears

 

[Romeoisgraham]

Nope its down to lazy driving.TD have high amounts of low end torque.

Accelerate hard from 40-50mph in 6th gear and your destroying your clutch. You need to use your gears

Mitchy, your like cheese and Mayonaise.................on a roll.

 

[owenwelsh]

Hi all!
New to all this so for fear of repeating a thread - SORRY!!
My clutch is starting to slip in 4 - 5 - 6th gears, so obviously i've climatised to this by utilising the gears all the more.
so here goes with the questions!
without stripping the gearbox away - can we assume the flywheel is ok?
my engine code is 'ARL' what diameter is the clutch plate 228/240?
as per
http://www.brakepartssuperstore.com/index1.html
do just order a clutch - take it to someone reputable and let them get on with it - or should i let them assess the flywheel tolerances to see if it needs changing too??
also - are these any good?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-SKODA...oryZ9889QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
thanks,
Dave.

 

[Mitchy]

You cant tell if you've damaged your flywheel until it has been removed unfortunately.

I had done around 55k when my clutch started to slip. It was replaced at 58k and my flywheel was okay.

Run it for too long slipping 5k+ and you probably will damage it.

Mine was perfectly fine at 3k

 

[Deleted member 7729]

MMMmm I'm getting this too now when in 4th and accelerating hard. I'll get JKM to do it, but what's the typical price and any other recommendations?

 

[tompotts]

Im glad this thread isnt as simpleton as the title suggests, lol

 

[Number86]

I just noticed this today (48k remapped LCR).

Oh the pains

How much is it? the links above seem dead...

 

[chriswilks]

full clutch change on my lc was about £580 so it aint cheap!!!

 

[karlosR]

I just noticed this today (48k remapped LCR).

Oh the pains

i've recently had mine replaced on my LCR with roughly the same mileage.............. but i had to replace the gearbox too! i paid under £150 got my clutch kit from GSF but then you've obviously got to pay somebody to fit it.

 

[Deleted member 7729]

full clutch change on my lc was about £580 so it aint cheap!!!

That's not bad...

 

[Mitchy]

i've recently had mine replaced on my LCR with roughly the same mileage.............. but i had to replace the gearbox too! i paid under £150 got my clutch kit from GSF but then you've obviously got to pay somebody to fit it.

You paid under £150 for clutch and a gearbox? If so i take it, its a cheap standard replacement?

Uprated clutch for LCR should cost you £500+ and then fitting on top. A good £750 i would say. Thats how much mine cost and i got mine on the cheap. It is rated for 450/450 though

Not sure why someone would fit a standard clutch back on their car when its obvious high torque from a remap is to blame? Surely its just going to happen again?

 

[Number86]

Well, I don't plan on fitting an uprated clutch. I understand the remap will shorten the life, but now I know more of the key causes more careful driving in respect to the clutch and having a brand new one should more than equal the remaining time I have the car (50k miles or so...)

What clutch did you get Mitchy, and did you notice any difference with the uprated one?

 

[caec]

Cupra tdi clutch

Previous to my other notes & replying to some of the other comments on clutch price. I bit the bullet & have just had mine replaced + bearing - total cost fitted inc VAT was £475.41. This was by a main dealer.

I have not got a chipped engine etc - just bog standard. Garage mentioned that some while ago they did have a note from Seat that there was a problem with some clutches but it would have happened before now with mine.

Anyway, I have written to VAG because I think a clutch should last longer than this (53000). I will post the outcome in due course.

 

[Number86]

475+ VAT aint bad from a main really is it? I take it they didn't replace the cylinders?

I have a questions for any other bods out there. As mentioned mine is slipping in the high gears, but also (and it's done this for a while before) on biting of the clutch, if you dip it up and down off this point (like you would if you're maneuvering/parking etc) it makes a squeaking/creaking sound. It seems to of got slightly worse since, but now, since the slipping I'm wondering if this is related to the wear at all. Or possibly any other parts of the clutch.

As I wouldn't want to replace the plate and bearing, then be left with a knackered cylinder or something!

Anyone suggest anything?

 

[LiCkWiD]

This really sounds like your clutch-slipping, to me. Engine revvings, visible on the rev-counter, but no actual acceleration to match.

:<

 

[caec]

Reply to Number86 - they replaced clutch & bearing only & cost included VAT. OK not a bad price considering things nowadays but it bugs me that it went so early. If we were talking about a 1960's to 1980's cars, then yes, you would expect perhaps to have to have it changed around 55000 miles.

Anyway I think it is worth having ago at VAG & will post the outcome.

 

[Mitchy]

Reply to Number86 - they replaced clutch & bearing only & cost included VAT. OK not a bad price considering things nowadays but it bugs me that it went so early. If we were talking about a 1960's to 1980's cars, then yes, you would expect perhaps to have to have it changed around 55000 miles.

Anyway I think it is worth having ago at VAG & will post the outcome.

Not being funny, but 50000 miles on clutch is pretty decent in my books. It is a wearable item just the same as pads/discs/tyres

It is a 200+ bhp/lbft car afterall.

Im sure the performance bunch of imprezas/evos and the likes would love a clutch to last that long on their cars.

Couple of hard launches and you can wear a clutch down in less than 1000 miles.

Lazy driving as said before is going to wear it down much sooner than if you drive it properly and use the gears.

I personally dont see your complaint