EU Ban 2035 on Petrol Motors

[tracktoy]

Got this today in the Reuters Auto File

Germany’s auto industry has been clear about its desire to amend, delay or simply get rid of the European Union’s 2035 ban on the sale of new fossil-fuel cars.

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz has also now made it clear that he has the auto industry’s back, declaring if he has his way “there will be no such hard cut in 2035."

Like Germany’s economically important auto industry, Merz says he favors allowing different technologies incorporating combustion engines such as plug-in hybrids and EV range extenders to thrive beyond 2035.

For many years Germany largely got what it wanted when it came to the EU, not least of all because it pays a lot of the bloc’s bills. But it remains to be seen how much the European Commission is willing to budge on key climate commitments.

 

[tracktoy]

and today in the press, its still not a done deal but change may be in the air

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/eu-yields-pressure-automakers-it-rethinks-2035-combustion-car-ban-2025-12-15/

Political battles swirl over the fate of Europe’s car industry

Opponents of the EU’s 2035 combustion engine ban are proclaiming victory, but there’s a long way to go before the law is changed.

www.politico.eu

• European Commission expected to make announcement on Tuesday
• Ban could be pushed back 5 years or softened indefinitely -sources
• Most significant climb-down on EU green policies of past 5 years
• EV makers say reneging on ban would yield more ground to China

BRUSSELS/LONDON/STOCKHOLM, Dec 15 (Reuters) - The European Commission is expected on Tuesday to reverse the EU's effective ban on sales of new combustion-engine cars from 2035, bowing to intense pressure from Germany, Italy and European automakers struggling against Chinese and U.S. rivals.
The move, the details of which are still being hashed out by EU officials ahead of its unveiling, could see the effective ban pushed back by five years or softened indefinitely, official and industry sources said.

 

[SRGTD]

Another from last Friday;

Europe Gives Up On Its 2035 Internal Combustion Engine Ban - Jalopnik

The European Commission throws in the towel on planned 2035 combustion engine ban, global EV sales see their slowest growth since February of 2024, and more.

www.jalopnik.com

 

[CosmicBlue]

Makes one wonder if the automakers would have a legal case against the EU for being forced down the EV road - costing billions of whatever currency you can think of and 10s of thousands of jobs.

 

[SkysTheLimit]

Could see that coming for a while. Looks like at least a couple of manufacturers (Porsche come to mind) have flipped on starting to focus on EVs back to ICE.

 

[tracktoy]

What they may do is adjust to only allow petrol engines in hybrid cars, although it looks like just a delay in the start date currently.

Hopefully they will use that time to roll out the charging infrastructure, but probably not.

 

[xxup]

The bigger issue is that they need to roll out power generator capacity. Charging an EV is well in excess of conventional power use. How many more wind generators can you guys stuff into the North Sea? At least we have sunlight most of the time, down here, and solar energy is a viable solution for us.

My view of hybrids is that they add little value. The batteries are too small with a 50 - 100km range, and the petrol engines are often too small to pull the heavier car after the battery goes flat, which increases fuel consumption and effectively doubles the costs of owning the car.

 

[tracktoy]

I think we are currently running just under 50% of capacity using Green energy production (Wind, Sea, Solar and Bio Fuels) Europe in general is looking back at Nuclear energy again and there is room for more of all of these items so who knows maybe one day we will go all green.

Re Hybrids its odd because FORD have just pulled out of the all EV market and there new plans include refocusing investments on hybrid vehicles, including plug-in models rather than pure EVs. Bottom line if people will buy them then car manufacturers will make them.

I do think there is a place for hybrid in the small car segment, I have been looking at the latest Honda jazz hybrid for my mrs

 

[tracktoy]

just read this

China is the real winner of the EU’s combustion engine ban reversal​

China is the real winner of the EU’s combustion engine ban reversal

Europe’s automakers have to compete globally but are at risk of getting shut out as emerging markets turn to electric vehicles.

www.politico.eu

Its going to be an interesting year (2026) for the automotive sector.

 

[Tell]

Well Germany / EU may be trying to delay the inevitable that Europe wont catch up with Chinese car makers. Thats my reading. Rather than the closure of the German car industry they will delay the closure of the ICE industry. That would only be a delay. Mass production will finish at some stage. They are on the slippery slope. Whether we have enough generator electricity capacity and electric storage is another matter. 25% of cars currently being sold in the UK are EVs. Nothing to be sneezed at. It's a question of balancing power generation and infrastructure to support the EV market but ICE will be around in the used market for sometime. Those ICE Cupras will be collectors items

 

[Tell]

I think we are currently running just under 50% of capacity using Green energy production (Wind, Sea, Solar and Bio Fuels) Europe in general is looking back at Nuclear energy again and there is room for more of all of these items so who knows maybe one day we will go all green.

Re Hybrids its odd because FORD have just pulled out of the all EV market and there new plans include refocusing investments on hybrid vehicles, including plug-in models rather than pure EVs. Bottom line if people will buy them then car manufacturers will make them.

I do think there is a place for hybrid in the small car segment, I have been looking at the latest Honda jazz hybrid for my mrs

Ford. That will be the Trump effect. MAGA are non believers in net zero and global warming. God gave you all these resources to use even thou it might poison or drown you in climate change . Loony right.

They eventually rumbled that global world development was leaving them behind but massaged it as "globalists" being the enemy. They want the third way, coach and horses (for the third world).

Third World development was inevitable, having developed we call it the Global South. Some of those countries are unrecognisable now but fossil fuels that power World development are releasing all those carbons held in the dead micro organisms that are statched away in time in memorial. Releasing those carbons, gives you global warming and climate change but that's far too scientific for some after all God did give you all of this stuff to misuse and profit from or act sensibly. Human choice whether you believe in religion or not, but if you say climate change is a hoax that's one small pesky matter out of the way. Brings us round to profit, whether the EU will do the right thing. Possible future European war they may kick it into the long grass. Who knows.