maybe the high fuel costs and revised car tax rates will prop up the value of diesel cars to some degree, let's live in hope
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Finally decided today that the Altea is going
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I know what you're saying and we all know that diesel cars are more economical but to people who don't really know what they are doing, £1.16 for diesel compared to £1.04 for unleaded is a phsycological big gulf.
Think us diesel owners are being taken for a ride to be honest. I've always said that once petrol/diesel broke through the £1 barrier with no customer resistance then it would keep going.
I know what you mean.. But like i say to everyone.. Do you see anyone making a fuss about it? People moan about it, but when it comes down to actually doing something about it not many people are bothered!
Massive blockades of ports and transport arteries is the only way to get a drop/freeze on prices, because the oil price isn't going up as fast as the fuel price, so no relationship to that, just brown/darling hiking the price!
here's one persons comment on why diesel is dearer than petrol, a blog from http://www.petrolprices.com/
"Refining Diesel, is more expensive than Petrol. Petrol comes off the refining process at between 32-93 degrees Cel. Diesel comes off at between 232-343 degrees Cel. It takes more energy to get Diesel. This will only give you "Conventional" Diesel at above 2000ppm. To get to "Ultra low" and "Sulpher Free" Diesel, it must be reprocessed to acheive 10ppm. This makes it expensive to produce".
But, wasn't diesel always cheaper than petrol !!, until, it appears, that diesel sales grew and then all of a sudden diesel became dearer than petrol, yes, we're being taken for a ride (a chuffing expensive one), but it's very difficult to do anything about it
"Refining Diesel, is more expensive than Petrol. Petrol comes off the refining process at between 32-93 degrees Cel. Diesel comes off at between 232-343 degrees Cel. It takes more energy to get Diesel. This will only give you "Conventional" Diesel at above 2000ppm. To get to "Ultra low" and "Sulpher Free" Diesel, it must be reprocessed to acheive 10ppm. This makes it expensive to produce".
But, wasn't diesel always cheaper than petrol !!, until, it appears, that diesel sales grew and then all of a sudden diesel became dearer than petrol, yes, we're being taken for a ride (a chuffing expensive one), but it's very difficult to do anything about it
Finally decided the Altea is going
Not long to go now to the 60K Service so obtained 3 quotes today 20/3/08- (Vehicle is Altea 2.0TDI Sport Manual)
Quote 1 : (Main Dealer - Distance to Travel 30 Mile)
Service - £215
Cambelt Change - £339
Without any Influence - Dealer offered straight £500 for both.
Quote 2 - (Main Dealer - Distance to Travel - 1 Mile)
Service £187
Camblet - £321
£508 Total
Independant ( Distance to travel 5 Miles)
Service £140
Cambelt - £352
Total - £492
As you can see no real saving here in going to Independant - Car Currently has Full Dealer History so planning on going to Dealer No.2 and asking them to price Match to £500.
Give the residuals and cost to replace will be hanging on to the car for the near future -
Still runs strong and the comfort and drive are still great.
Also MPG seems to be improving with 55MPG easily achievable on long runs with cruise set around 60MPH.
Not long to go now to the 60K Service so obtained 3 quotes today 20/3/08- (Vehicle is Altea 2.0TDI Sport Manual)
Quote 1 : (Main Dealer - Distance to Travel 30 Mile)
Service - £215
Cambelt Change - £339
Without any Influence - Dealer offered straight £500 for both.
Quote 2 - (Main Dealer - Distance to Travel - 1 Mile)
Service £187
Camblet - £321
£508 Total
Independant ( Distance to travel 5 Miles)
Service £140
Cambelt - £352
Total - £492
As you can see no real saving here in going to Independant - Car Currently has Full Dealer History so planning on going to Dealer No.2 and asking them to price Match to £500.
Give the residuals and cost to replace will be hanging on to the car for the near future -
Still runs strong and the comfort and drive are still great.
Also MPG seems to be improving with 55MPG easily achievable on long runs with cruise set around 60MPH.
Altea
Forgot to post this one - speaking about residuals - For sale at £6450 from a garage, how much PX did they give for this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-54-SEAT-...ryZ18270QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Forgot to post this one - speaking about residuals - For sale at £6450 from a garage, how much PX did they give for this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-54-SEAT-...ryZ18270QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Not long to go now to the 60K Service so obtained 3 quotes today 20/3/08- (Vehicle is Altea 2.0TDI Sport Manual)
Quote 1 : (Main Dealer - Distance to Travel 30 Mile)
Service - £215
Cambelt Change - £339
Without any Influence - Dealer offered straight £500 for both.
Quote 2 - (Main Dealer - Distance to Travel - 1 Mile)
Service £187
Camblet - £321
£508 Total
Independant ( Distance to travel 5 Miles)
Service £140
Cambelt - £352
Total - £492
As you can see no real saving here in going to Independant - Car Currently has Full Dealer History so planning on going to Dealer No.2 and asking them to price Match to £500.
Give the residuals and cost to replace will be hanging on to the car for the near future -
Still runs strong and the comfort and drive are still great.
Also MPG seems to be improving with 55MPG easily achievable on long runs with cruise set around 60MPH.
Same service as yours on my ol'TDI 110 was only £406.66 for all of that from an indy
Your indy seems expensive!
Forgot to post this one - speaking about residuals - For sale at £6450 from a garage, how much PX did they give for this.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-54-SEAT-...ryZ18270QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That's about right by what's going on Autotrader.
Picked My Toys Back Up
After my first post on this thread, I have now calmed down, replaced the toys back into my pram, woke up and smelt the coffee.
I am going to keep my Altea, it is a good car, certainly no worse than the majority of cars on the road today. Also, with the p/x values being offered on used these days, it just doesn't add up. £7200 offered, minimum of £11000 for second hand to replace with anything as good (eg golf, passat, leon etc), so with a exchange value of around £4000, its a keeper.
Servicing costs are poor from any makes main dealers, not only Seats. The only thing that still annoys me is the 4yr/40,000 mile cambelt change. I dont remember any other car I have had than quotes anything the regular.
After my first post on this thread, I have now calmed down, replaced the toys back into my pram, woke up and smelt the coffee.
I am going to keep my Altea, it is a good car, certainly no worse than the majority of cars on the road today. Also, with the p/x values being offered on used these days, it just doesn't add up. £7200 offered, minimum of £11000 for second hand to replace with anything as good (eg golf, passat, leon etc), so with a exchange value of around £4000, its a keeper.
Servicing costs are poor from any makes main dealers, not only Seats. The only thing that still annoys me is the 4yr/40,000 mile cambelt change. I dont remember any other car I have had than quotes anything the regular.
Not far off £80 a year for the cambelt alone, that's not good.
Must admit, if i hadn't have read this thread i'd have been thinking i've got another couple of years left before a change is due, where would i have stood if i'd have gone over the 4 years (this Oct.) and the belt had snapped at 50k, i wouldn't have been doing anything wrong as per manual i.e. well short of the 80k limit ?, i'd have sort assistance from SEAT, who know's what would have happened.
Must admit, if i hadn't have read this thread i'd have been thinking i've got another couple of years left before a change is due, where would i have stood if i'd have gone over the 4 years (this Oct.) and the belt had snapped at 50k, i wouldn't have been doing anything wrong as per manual i.e. well short of the 80k limit ?, i'd have sort assistance from SEAT, who know's what would have happened.
I presume the best you'd be able to hope for is that the dealer not recommending a belt replacement at 4 years would be negligent, and you'd have a claim through the Courts to try. However, what's more likely to happen is that the dealer would point out that it's out of warranty and they followed the service schedule as written. End of case.
Then you'd have to prove the service manual was incorrectly printed, that the belt interval is 4 years, and Seat UK were negligent in omitting the data, then take Seat UK to Court for compensation. Then Seat UK would show a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) which was issued to all dealers stating that cambelts do in fact have a 4 year time change interval. End of case.
Then you'd have to go back to Court to claim that the dealer was negligent in not replacing the cambelt as per the TSB which was issued, and he'll say it wasn't delivered to them and as such he followed the service schedule as printed in the manual.
And all the time you'll have your car off the road waiting to be fixed.
Or there's just a faint chance that when you tell the dealer that your belt failed outside of warranty period because they never recommended changing it at 4 years, that he'll hold his hand up and say "Yes sir, absolutely our fault and we'll repair it for you free of charge as a good will gesture." Yeah right.
Then you'd have to prove the service manual was incorrectly printed, that the belt interval is 4 years, and Seat UK were negligent in omitting the data, then take Seat UK to Court for compensation. Then Seat UK would show a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) which was issued to all dealers stating that cambelts do in fact have a 4 year time change interval. End of case.
Then you'd have to go back to Court to claim that the dealer was negligent in not replacing the cambelt as per the TSB which was issued, and he'll say it wasn't delivered to them and as such he followed the service schedule as printed in the manual.
And all the time you'll have your car off the road waiting to be fixed.
Or there's just a faint chance that when you tell the dealer that your belt failed outside of warranty period because they never recommended changing it at 4 years, that he'll hold his hand up and say "Yes sir, absolutely our fault and we'll repair it for you free of charge as a good will gesture." Yeah right.
fair points, not good PR for SEAT is it !!!
So, everyone, did you all know that it's 4 years or 80k miles ?, i suspect a high % of people are thinking they're fine up to 80K. SEAT are poor for misprinting the manual in the first place, there should at least be a letter to every owner explaining the error, or an actual instruction for the dealers to put an adendum into everyone's manual when their cars in with them.
I personally think, given the right solicitor, you'd have a case.
So, everyone, did you all know that it's 4 years or 80k miles ?, i suspect a high % of people are thinking they're fine up to 80K. SEAT are poor for misprinting the manual in the first place, there should at least be a letter to every owner explaining the error, or an actual instruction for the dealers to put an adendum into everyone's manual when their cars in with them.
I personally think, given the right solicitor, you'd have a case.
Nope,and il (probably stupidly)will be holding out till either 6 years or 50k whichever comes first!
Supposed to retain about 40% after 3 years which would be ~ £7,200. So £7,200 for a four year old doesn't sound too bad at all. Depends if he will actually buy at that value or he's just offering that as a 'marked up' PX valuation.
According to "What Car" the VW Golf would hold its value much better (47.5% after 3 years):
Volkswagen Golf Hatchback 2.0 TDI 140 GT Sport 5dr 19,075 (new) 9,060 (3 Years) 7,521 (4 Years)
Seat Altea Hatchback 2.0 TDI 140 Stylance 5dr 16,895 (new) 6,763 (3 Years) 5,665 (4 Years)
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Hi Darrell,
A bit puzzled by the figures:
Golf loses 10015 after 3 then 11554 after 4.
Altea loses 10132 after 3 then 11230 after 4
can't see where the Golf "would hold its value much better "
A bit puzzled by the figures:
Golf loses 10015 after 3 then 11554 after 4.
Altea loses 10132 after 3 then 11230 after 4
can't see where the Golf "would hold its value much better "
Good advice from Viking and, yes Phil before reading this I thought I was OK for 80k.
Mine has done 47k in 3 years so will now probably get it done at 60k in a years time.
It's a gamble but the downside is very expensive. Has anyone got experience of cambelts going on way past there due change date ? Not like I'd want to try like !!
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A bit late I know
But have you tried (from there web-site)W H Jervis is a specialist used car dealer in Hanley, Stoke on Trent. We are a family owned firm who still take pride in offering a personal service. In 1953 we were appointed as one of the first franchised VW dealers in Great Britain. This franchise we relinquished in 1981. The main reason for this was pressure from the importers VAG UK. To increase in size and turnover to a degree that would have lost us our personal touch.
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