FR TDI - How Many RPM at 80mph?

Ibiza 130 tdi

Black Magic
Jan 15, 2007
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Yep thats me, still miss my old polo but its nothing compared to the Ibiza.
I remeber talking to you for a bit at inters, you should have seen us this year, we locked the keys in the car so spend most of the show trying to get in without going through a window!

Yeh I remember now, got a face to the name. :)

Yeh I saw Paul and he said you had to get the AA out! :p

Saw your car at Edition 38 aswell with a show cage in!
 

SteveC123

Torquing TDI
Jul 5, 2009
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Can I ask.....why does it matter?

It doesn't really, but... if a heavier Passat TDI with a similar map can do more, then I don't see why this can't, aerodynamics and gearing aside.

Even if you hybrid your car, the top end isn't going to increase that much, if any.

Won't it?

Depends just how much you do to it really, doesn't it... hence another reason why I was asking about FR gearboxes.

It'll just get there a hell of a lot quicker.

Goodo... and probably go bang a lot quicker too. ;)
 

Ibiza 130 tdi

Black Magic
Jan 15, 2007
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It doesn't really, but... if a heavier Passat TDI with a similar map can do more, then I don't see why this can't, aerodynamics and gearing aside.

Won't it?

Depends just how much you do to it really, doesn't it... hence another reason why I was asking about FR gearboxes.

Goodo... and probably go bang a lot quicker too. ;)

The gearing of the car limits the top speed. So unless you lengthen the final gear, you're not gonna get much more. But as I say, why do you need to be doing those sort of speeds anyway? Even on a quarter mile, you'll only see about 100mph with a hybrid derv.

FR gearboxes wont go as fast as Sport gearboxes I wouldnt have thought....but I'm not 100% on that.

If a hybrid is done properly, it wont go bang. If you have a weak or damaged gear box, then it'd go bang. The turbos can go bang aswell.....if you drive them hard, at high speeds for long periods of time for example..... ;)
 

stebbi

Got Boost???
Jun 10, 2008
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I really like the cage, it need to be taken out and sprayed matt black because the polished steel looks too showy.
plus it was a full custom one so no gay aluminium or taking it apart in sections, its a one-er.
only difference is its not welded it just bolts in.

plan is to finish the stealth boot build off and take out the seats, only taken me 3months so far lol
 

Ibiza 130 tdi

Black Magic
Jan 15, 2007
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I really like the cage, it need to be taken out and sprayed matt black because the polished steel looks too showy.
plus it was a full custom one so no gay aluminium or taking it apart in sections, its a one-er.
only difference is its not welded it just bolts in.

plan is to finish the stealth boot build off and take out the seats, only taken me 3months so far lol

The silver did look a bit in your face. Same colour as the wheels would look great!!! Where does it bolt to? The seat and seat belt mountings?
 

SteveC123

Torquing TDI
Jul 5, 2009
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The gearing of the car limits the top speed. So unless you lengthen the final gear, you're not gonna get much more.

Humm, not in this case.

Top is *too* long in the Sport; the car doesn't have enough grunt, even mapped etc, to max out in top... or get anywhere near maxing out for that matter.

If it did... well it would be doing a *lot* more than around the 130 mark. ;)

But as I say, why do you need to be doing those sort of speeds anyway?

I don't need to be doing anything, but I'm someone who likes their car to be as good as it can be?

As I've already said, my Passat TDI would pull through better in top.

To my mind, the Ibiza feels like it's limiting itself in fifth at the higher end of the revs compared to my Passat, so I'm interested in improving on that... and maybe the gearing if needs be too.

Hey, it's my obsession... go get your own! ;)
 

Ibiza 130 tdi

Black Magic
Jan 15, 2007
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Humm, not in this case.

Top is *too* long in the Sport; the car doesn't have enough grunt, even mapped etc, to max out in top... or get anywhere near maxing out for that matter.

If it did... well it would be doing a *lot* more than around the 130 mark. ;)



I don't need to be doing anything, but I'm someone who likes their car to be as good as it can be?

As I've already said, my Passat TDI would pull through better in top.

To my mind, the Ibiza feels like it's limiting itself in fifth at the higher end of the revs compared to my Passat, so I'm interested in improving on that... and maybe the gearing if needs be too.

Hey, it's my obsession... go get your own! ;)

I've got my own obsession, getting there quick - not acheiving those speeds. Thanks for your concern.

The only thing I'll say is, doing those speeds isnt doing your car any favours at all, and if you hit another car, animal or person at those speeds, there's no hope for you either!

I've seen the results of high speed collisions working in the trade and it really isn't pretty at all, that's why I don't agree with it anymore.

I'm not having a go, but as they say, it's your funeral.
 

SteveC123

Torquing TDI
Jul 5, 2009
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I've got my own obsession, getting there quick - not acheiving those speeds. Thanks for your concern.

The only thing I'll say is, doing those speeds isnt doing your car any favours at all, and if you hit another car, animal or person at those speeds, there's no hope for you either!

I've seen the results of high speed collisions working in the trade and it really isn't pretty at all, that's why I don't agree with it anymore.

I'm not having a go, but as they say, it's your funeral.

Ok... now can we get back to the nub of why I asked this question in the first place.

Despite it being mapped, and having a green panel filter and Forge FMIC, my Ibiza feels flatter at higher revs in the top two gears, than my Passat did.

Both are 130 TDIs.

Is it likely that the Passat breathed better than the Ibiza, and Milltek downpipe / decat and better air intake, would improve things to the point it's worth all the expense / grief?
 

Disco_Biscuit

Ibiza Cupra Tdi PD200
Jul 8, 2007
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would improve things to the point it's worth all the expense / grief?

You've answered you own question, NO, complete waste of time and money. if you really must drive at those speeds buy a car designed to do it, not a polo in drag :whistle:

Remapped 335d springs to mind :funk:

Example my pal built a 380 bhp mk2 golf, spent 15k on it, yeah it wold do over 160 but not for long till it went bang, my M-Roadster sat at 155 in germany for an hour no dramas.

He now owns my BMW.

My Cupra remapped did 145 for about a mile till it snapped the turbo shaft and caught the exhaust on fire!.
 

SteveC123

Torquing TDI
Jul 5, 2009
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You've answered you own question, NO, complete waste of time and money. if you really must drive at those speeds buy a car designed to do it, not a polo in drag :whistle:

Oi! I think you'll find it's actually a Fabia in drag given which of the cars based on that platform were sold first. :p

And big 'pfft' to the rest of it. ;)

I don't drive at those speeds anywhere other than on an autobahn (honest)... but all the time when I do it's obvious it's lacking compared to a bigger heavier Passat that went before it, one is asking their self 'why'... and I suspect I'll always be asking myself that all the time I own this car or I end up selling it. ;)

In all seriousness, it's not the outright speed that bothers me... it's the obvious 'breathlessness' this seems to have at that point. :)

My Cupra remapped did 145 for about a mile till it snapped the turbo shaft and caught the exhaust on fire!.

Best thing for a Seat, surely. :funk:
 

SteveC123

Torquing TDI
Jul 5, 2009
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Absolutely, soon as my warranty expires in Feb mines going :happy:

I'll never buy another VAG car again lol

Oh, I probably will.

I've had loads of Mk3 / Mk4 Golfs, and B5(.5) Passats.

Most were TDIs, and all were pretty good really... as is this really, but the build quality, ride and handling don't impress me that much.

Reliability wise though, it's brilliant. :)
 

Arnoldo

Diesel Fr :D
Mar 22, 2009
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N.Ireland
I really like the cage, it need to be taken out and sprayed matt black because the polished steel looks too showy.
plus it was a full custom one so no gay aluminium or taking it apart in sections, its a one-er.
only difference is its not welded it just bolts in.

plan is to finish the stealth boot build off and take out the seats, only taken me 3months so far lol


OT : Was I talking to you at edition?
 
SteveC123 - i've had over 145 in mine and there was still a bit more pull, Paul said he had it to 150 on the way to the ring (sure he said it showed this on a satnav) Not sure of RPM as i was beginning to cr*p myself

In a FR TDi?:lol:

Mine maxed out at 120-125 with a stage 1 P-Torque map and to be honest anything over that would be bloody scary in a Ibiza. Mine felt like the front was lifting and becoming unstable with very woolly steering!

Compared to the Audi which has a slightly less Torque & 80hp more this maxed out at 145 but ran out of gears as i was touching the red line in 6th though i do feel if there was a 7th or a much longer 6 (which the car does need even for cruising) a higher sped would be achievable. The major difference between the cars in stability at these speeds is remarkable where the Ibiza was skitish and felt like your where holding on for dear life you feel safe & secure in the Audi.

Kidds i hasten to add this was on a rather long runway in deepest darkest Suffolk, well not that deep lol
 

SteveC123

Torquing TDI
Jul 5, 2009
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In a FR TDi?:lol:

Mine maxed out at 120-125 with a stage 1 P-Torque map and to be honest anything over that would be bloody scary in a Ibiza. Mine felt like the front was lifting and becoming unstable with very woolly steering!

When I got my Ibiza, it was lowered on to cheap suspension.

With that on it, it was lethal at higher speeds, as in any bumps etc *really* upset it.

So I've fitted standard FR suspension, which made the most difference... and then I went in with VAG-COM and made the PAS heavier, and that's helped too.

I've never felt like the front is lifting, mind.
 

stebbi

Got Boost???
Jun 10, 2008
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Preston
Arnoldo: More than likely, i cant remember much of that tho tbh i was sooo drunk all weekend, was it you guys who brought the buckfast and came to our fire?

Ib 130: it doesnt bolt into any sercure mountings i dont think, just next to the seat belt mounts and bolted down into the floor
ibizacage.jpg

exactly the same place as these one in a mk3 by the looks of it, like the wheel arch area
 
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Ibiza 130 tdi

Black Magic
Jan 15, 2007
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Ib 130: it doesnt bolt into any sercure mountings i dont think, just next to the seat belt mounts and bolted down into the floor
ibizacage.jpg

exactly the same place as these one in a mk3 by the looks of it, like the wheel arch area

Get a readers ride thread up fella! Looks impressive!

Is that the pic of yours? If so, what the heck is in the bottle?
 

stebbi

Got Boost???
Jun 10, 2008
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No that aint mine, it was a pic of a mk3 cupra running NOS
thats pretty much where i got the idea of it from.

Considering spraying it the same colour as that one, or yellow as that looks mint tbh
 
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