Mar 30, 2008
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i've noticed that audi's with the larger MFD are able to display realtime speed. As there is an overspeed function on the bluetooth equipped cars, the computer obviously know the speed the car is travelling at.

My wonder is. it's it possible to get a software update that would enable the MFD to display realtime speed. would Audi software work on our cars?
 
Ive got a little sapphire snooper mounted just behind the steering wheel on the column (cos im 6'4" the wheel is right out!) and that siaplays actual speed and obviously tells me when a camera is coming up. The speedo is really quite forgiving, for example almost 60 on the speedo is just about 50mph... There is definitely the information in there somewhere as it goes to the RNS510 also to calculate where you are when you lose the sattelite signal in a tunnel etc...
 
every car has the speedo set too fast, this is due to people in the past bringing up law suit over speed cameras and other various bits, it is usually around 7% inaccurate
 
check the speedo in any car using your sat nav etc.... every single one will sayyou are going too fast and it is for this reason, you can get your speedo calibrated so it is showing right but all will show a reading that is too fast
 
I have that feature in my Audi and it is just a duplication of the speed on the speedo.

Speedos have always been about 10% out. I had heard years ago this was due to the type of instrument that is, although nowadays it could be for legal reasons as suggested.

Trying comapring against a roadside sign that displays your speed or a GPS.

A GPS still isn't 100% accurate but is more accurate that the speedo.
 
You can get the MFD to bing at you to warn you that you're driving over a certain speed. The speed is set in the settings of the MFD.
 
You can get the MFD to bing at you to warn you that you're driving over a certain speed. The speed is set in the settings of the MFD.

You get that on the none bluetooth cars without the large MPD as well. (I had it on my Cupra)

I suspect it is just speedo speed and not real speed.
 
ye I thought you meant that, but was confused because my previous stylance model without bluetooth had this function and yes it was on Speedo speed, not actual speed.
 
Speedos aren't allowed to under read.
GPS is less accurate when hills are involved and when the number of satellites it can receive is reduced.
 
Speedos aren't allowed to under read.
GPS is less accurate when hills are involved and when the number of satellites it can receive is reduced.

Yes, they can only overead by up to 10%.

Granted, but on motorways etc where they have the average speed restrictions of 50mph in place I always follow my Satnav.
 
Yes, they can only overead by up to 10%.

Granted, but on motorways etc where they have the average speed restrictions of 50mph in place I always follow my Satnav.

Some car magazines road tests show the real speed vs the speed on the speed and thats out by about the same margin. The use a different method to measure the true speed of a car.
 
Ford have always been the worst culprits over reading speedos. I can remember back in the days of the Mk 3 XR3i, loads of blue oval knobs were boasting in car mags (no on-line forums in those days!) about their cars doing 135, 140 and even pushing 150 MPH! This was a car pushing out an awesome...........................115 BHP.

One of the mags, I think it was Fast Lane, where Clarkson cut his teeth, that got fed up with the BS and did measured speed runs on a group of XR3i's, the quickest one did about 112 MPH when measured accurately and all of the speedo's were out by at least 15% at top end speeds, some of them over 20%.
 
Ford have always been the worst culprits over reading speedos. I can remember back in the days of the Mk 3 XR3i, loads of blue oval knobs were boasting in car mags (no on-line forums in those days!) about their cars doing 135, 140 and even pushing 150 MPH! This was a car pushing out an awesome...........................115 BHP.

One of the mags, I think it was Fast Lane, where Clarkson cut his teeth, that got fed up with the BS and did measured speed runs on a group of XR3i's, the quickest one did about 112 MPH when measured accurately and all of the speedo's were out by at least 15% at top end speeds, some of them over 20%.

Was it even as much as 115 bhp? Thought the XR2i with the EFi engine was 110bhp which they then put in the XR3i, the original Fi XR3i was slightly less... Will have to look it up.

Vauxhall were even worse than Ford for over reading, the number of people who achieve 130+ out of a 1.3 Astra was unbelievable.

Apparently the Vaxuhall speedos were known to overheat and due to limitations in spring balance instruments a speedo will be inaccurate at the start and end of the scale.

Not sure how true either is though..
 
If you set the cruse control to, say 70mph and put the trip computer onto average speed then press the trip reset button. The desplay will say "---mph" for a few moments then come up with a number. This will be the true speed, as measured as accuratly as the tyres and sensors allow.

Assuming your in a 70 limit, increase your speed and test again, once the "---mph" changes to "70mph" and say your speedo says 77mph, then you know the error of your speedo.

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There are set standards on this.

The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, allows the use of speedometers that meet the requirements of EC Community Directive 75/443(97/39) or ECE Regulation 39. Both the EC Directive and the ECE Regulation lay down accuracy requirements to be applied at the time of vehicle approval for speedometers. These requirements are that the indicated speed must not be more than 10 per cent of the true speed plus 4 km/h. In production, however, a slightly different tolerance of 5 per cent plus 10 km/h is applied. The requirements are also that the indicated speed must never be less than the true speed.

So, for production cars, if you are physically moving at 70mph, your speedo cannot read less than this but can read 79.7mph.

Most manufacturers work to the european limit of 10% + 4km/h.

So 70mph true speed could read 79.5mph on the speedo. This is acceptable as in the range 25mph to 70mph it still is covered by the british requirements.

If you take it a stage further:

Most patrol car cops wont bother about anybody unless your doing at least 10% + 2mph over the limit. Generally they set the speed cameras anywhere between 10% or 10% + 5mph.

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I know (as i asked somebody) that the speed cameras on the Dumfries and Galloway section of the A74(M) motorway are set at 80mph real physical speed.
The same road in Strathclyde is set to 78mph real physical speed.

So, if your speedo is reading worst case within the standards (which its probably not!) (then its saying 79.5mph for doing 70mph). The 80MPH camera will trip at 90.5MPH speedo reading. The camera doesnt think your doing 90MPH, it thinks your doing 80.

Now, to allow of tyre diamater changes and other real margins of error, most car manufacturers opt for a 5% + 4km/h over approach so your looking at needing 86.5MPH speedo reading before the camera trips or patrol car says stop. Again, the patrol cars laser thing says your doing 80 and youll probably not get stopped, unless its a quiet day or there are dangerous conditions.

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with regards to the service thing, your car odo will read correct miles.
Meaning, if you travel for 1 hour at 70mph on the speedo, you wont have registered 70 miles.

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On satnav's, they are right to about 1mph if your going level and they have a good view of the sky and your not turning a corner.
Make sure you have the logging function on, as if you do get a ticket, the satnav log is admissible to prove what speed you were doing.

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Hope this fills some things in for you guys.

ps. im not responsible if you get a ticket or break any laws whilst trying to find what speed cameras and patrol cars will catch you!
 
The 'logging function'...that sounds interesting. Any idea how it can be set up on a Tom Tom, or were you speaking with regards to the SEAT standard fit unit?