HIDs

[phil_monk31]

i had the exact same kit on my mk3 cupra and that went through an mot last year?? and if i wanted them i would have ordered xenons from the factory, fact is i got an ex demo for 13k with 3k miles on it so you work out what was the best to do!

MOT testers currently don't check for scatter they only check for a bean pattern... There adding in a scatter test soon but this requires additional equipment at the testers and this has to be in place, so may take time to get testers up to speed.

I would also like HIDs but im not going to break the law, put other road users at risk and void my insurance to get them, i think ill get some better bulbs.

 

[Biker]

he still hasn't got it yet has he have a read

http://www.convert2xenon.co.uk/xenon-hid-bulbs/133-h7r-hid-xenon-replacement-bulbs.html

if you can read then it says they are covered in an anti glare coating and it was designed using mercedes benz technololgy your not saying merc are selling cars that wont go through an mot???? it also says they are e marked what more do you want ?

oh hang on heres another website that says anti glare read the reviews at the bottom aswel they all say they are fine.

http://www.hids4u.co.uk/h7r-anti-glare-replacement-hid-bulbs.html

anti glare hey? e marked? sounds like an mot pass to me as long as the beam pattern is fine wich it should be in a brand new car

anyone thinking of getting HID's get the H7R's 6000K and youll be fine

I am pleased my last post provided you with some mirth, it is always nice to bring a smile to someones face

To answer your question, yes I can read and my comprehension is quite good too. For example take the passage below taken from The Department For Transports website.

"In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon."

Not only can I read it, I can also interpret it to mean "fitting HID lamps to headlamps designed for halogen lamps is illegal"

I don't much care if you fit HID lamps to your car or not, that is your business. The whole point of my post was to make people aware of the law surrounding the retro-fitting of HID lamps. It has already been mentioned in this thread but I will repeat it anyway. If you want to fit HID lamps to your vehicle and for them to be legal you must comply with the following standards.

1) You must fit a headlamp designed for a HID lamp.

2) You must fit a headlamp levelling system.

3) You must fit a headlamp wash system

4) You must ensure that your lights are wired such that when you switch to main beam, the dipped beam remains illuminated.

If you can comply with the above four points, your lights will be legal. Anything less is ILLEGAL.

One last point, should you decide to fit HID lamps to your standard headlamps and are unlucky enough to be stopped by the police because of them, I wouldn't rely on the two web links you quoted as a defence

 

[Deleted member 55317]

They all scatter just because you haven't been flashed doesn't mean they don't scatter.. Fact is there illegal, You will fail an MOT and if you get stopped (like there doing in MK) it is £60 and possible points. There have also been recent cases of insurance claims being voided.

If you wanted them.............. you should of had the option

some people dont have £600 spare at the time of buying and £100-200 for HID sounds tempting..plus my dad just got some for his bike and i told him about the legal issue so he phoned traffic (on my advice) of a police force and spoke to a sgt there (im not going to name the force or sgt) and he said that the idea of making yourself brighter and more visible was a good idea and he couldnt imagine any probs BUT that was from a biking point of view so hes going to fit them in feb after his MOT just incase his bikes a YAMAHA FJR1300A so its a biggie

 

[Rob-TSI]

I am pleased my last post provided you with some mirth, it is always nice to bring a smile to someones face

To answer your question, yes I can read and my comprehension is quite good too. For example take the passage below taken from The Department For Transports website.

"In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon."

Not only can I read it, I can also interpret it to mean "fitting HID lamps to headlamps designed for halogen lamps is illegal"

I don't much care if you fit HID lamps to your car or not, that is your business. The whole point of my post was to make people aware of the law surrounding the retro-fitting of HID lamps. It has already been mentioned in this thread but I will repeat it anyway. If you want to fit HID lamps to your vehicle and for them to be legal you must comply with the following standards.

1) You must fit a headlamp designed for a HID lamp.

2) You must fit a headlamp levelling system.

3) You must fit a headlamp wash system

4) You must ensure that your lights are wired such that when you switch to main beam, the dipped beam remains illuminated.

If you can comply with the above four points, your lights will be legal. Anything less is ILLEGAL.

One last point, should you decide to fit HID lamps to your standard headlamps and are unlucky enough to be stopped by the police because of them, I wouldn't rely on the two web links you quoted as a defence

So eBay are braking the law, and all other places selling hid kits......

 

[VRSLOZ]

So eBay are braking the law, and all other places selling hid kits......

I don't think they are breaking the law by selling them

 

[Biker]

So eBay are braking the law, and all other places selling hid kits......

You have obviously read the DfT guidance note, so you tell me?

 

[leon20v]

So eBay are braking the law, and all other places selling hid kits......

not breaking the law by selling them, but the person fitting them to the car/whatever is breaking the law by using them on the road
no matter what disclaimers the site/seller adds, unless you have the correct system already in place on the car (levelling system, washer system etc) it will always be illegal
My Dad took his car for a MOT last month and complained like hell when he got back as it took him ages, This was due to the person infront of him had retro fitted HID installed and was failed because of it, the owner didnt understand why

 

[Deleted member 56597]

I wouldn't rely on the two web links you quoted as a defence

Those two website just happen to be companies selling HID kits, theyre going to tell you what you want to hear about the E-marked etc so they end up with your money.

HID's are illegal unless factory fitted or comply with the 4 points mentioned, end of.

 

[FR_POWER]

Firstly

After-market HIDs are illegal they are for off-road use only and are not "E-marked".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuSSdZNsZw

Doesn't matter about the bulb type H7R or H7 etc

It's the headlamp housing, auto self levelling, washers and colour.

Its not illegal to fit H7R in a reflective housing because the new Honda Civic has the D2R which is the same as the H7R with a black tape on top of the bulb, even the old Mercs and Renault Laguna use to have them but anyway i'm not sure if the reflective housing in these cars have been modified to suit HIDs but they did have auto self levelling and washers.

Not sure with H7R longevity because the black tape on it actually burns off.

Projector Headlamps helps by keeping the light output in a confined space (i personally think they look way better than in reflective housing) so it can project the beam pattern more sharply on the ground.

Auto self levelling helps by adjusting (moving up and down) the beam so it focuses on the ground, when going over imperfections on the road so it won't blind on coming traffic, it's actually quicker than you can make your eyes blink.

Washers helps to keep the headlamp clean from dirty so it won't scatter the beam, so it won't blind on coming traffic.

Colour, 4300k (yellow/white) to 6000k (white) is my best choice, if you go anything higher than 6000K, you wouldn't see anything properly because higher the colour less light output meaning you can't see nothing. Oh and for knows who think higher the colour actually gives you the blue tinge is wrong! The projector headlamp actually makes the blue tinge because the light actually hits a shutter in the headlamp (cut off point) and then hits the lens, so when a car coming towards you with factory fitted HIDs and you see the light flicking with blue tinge thats why!

HIDs are still in a grey area ATM but when the new revise MOT checks come out they will be ILLEGAL even in the new REDLINE mag they did a review on HIDs and they agree they are ILLEGAL, "If you want to pass your MOT, you should take them out."

For JDM cars they have HIDs in reflective housing with D2R bulbs but i personally don't have any experience or knowledge with them because i'm not sure how the UK actually test JDM cars.

Secondly

I hate those people who have 8K HIDs, which is like eye sore coming towards you! They are pretty annoying because they are skyblue and worst of all they are glarey, i couldn't see anything infront of me because of them. If i had someone behind me with HIDs blinding me, i would pull over and let him by and then i would put my full beams on to blind him. Yeah i know i'm a ****.

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[CDNY18]

was driving behind the police last night with my HIDs then over took them(not illegally it was busy so i went in the faster moving lane) and nothing

 

[streetbeef]

Firstly

After-market HIDs are illegal they are for off-road use only and are not "E-marked".

mine are E-marked and tuv approved would you like a picture of my box???

 

[splinter26]

This thread baffles me

 

[VRSLOZ]

mine are E-marked and tuv approved would you like a picture of my box???

I think some are but you still have to have the other features for them to be legal

 

[TSI BOY]

This thread baffles me

Hilarious ain't it lol

mine are E-marked and tuv approved would you like a picture of my box???

Yeah kit is legal in it's own right. But NOT if you put it on your car without the other mods washers, level adjusters etc

 

[FR_POWER]

mine are E-marked and tuv approved would you like a picture of my box???

did u just ignore my whole post or maybe u don't understand the meaning of e-marked:

http://www.in-carpc.co.uk/legislation.htm

Ok let me see, if they are e-marked and TUV approved then sure it's semi legal but you have too add washers, auto levelling to make it fully legal OR e-marked and TUV approved could be faked?

Companies like demon tweak states:

"All aftermarket HID Xenon lighting kits are not E-approved so kits are intended for off-road and show use only."

 

[splinter26]

Bottom line is they are illegal without all the above boxes ticked. Whether they glare or if you've driven behind a billion cops/ past an MOT recently or not the fact still remains that they're illegal.

Not slagging off people with HID's in any way. I personally hate my yellow looking main beams compared to my white side lights and HID's would look great. But i personally don't want to take the risk with the way it seems to be going.

 

[streetbeef]

well im not blinding anybody the level is PERFECT so what i will do is not worry about it at all because my car doesnt need an mot till 2013 by then i wont have the car so never mind!