hi guys, picking up a lovely fr 1.8t turbo and its been tuned to stage 2 with a revo map, obviously all the supporting mods, FMIC, TIP, 4 bar FPR, full miltek turbo back exhaust, jetex filter etc it made 217.7bhp and around 270ft lbs. is this power normal for a ko3s? i thought they should be making around 230 with this turbo? it went very well for a test drive and i like the map just wanted to make sure those figures are normal? thanks
ibiza FR 1.8T is this bhp normal?
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surely that wont make a difference as they run the same turbo its just the map thats different on the cupra? correct me if im wrong but a stage 2 fr shud be the same as a stage 2 cupra? maybe the cupra has different injectors but that shouldnt make a difference with a stage 2...
and yes could be dyno lottery i was just wondering if i would make more gains from a custom map over a revo?
Your spot on. The post above yours is nonsense. An fr at stage 2 should be exactly the same as a cupra at stage 2.
I wouldn't worry about the figures just yet. Try a different dyno, and check that it drives ok
thanks for the reply mate, sorry but the internals will be identical its the same engine! and they both use the k03s on the mk4's yes? sorry im new to VAG tuning so trying to learn as much as i can
still makes good power, like you said dyno lottery i was just checking thats around the correct power for a stage 2. cheers againwell its more or less 220bhp, on the road power is usually ever so slightly more due to a greater load on the engine in real life, but i assumed they would be near 230-240 but im happy with it.
tbh if you told me id be getting 217.7 bhp off a stage 2 on a cupra then id be
ye i am happy
goes very well i wasnt concerned it was a low power output i just wanted to check it was roughly around what a stage 2 should be making, if that makes sense
thanks for the reply mate, sorry but the internals will be identical its the same engine! and they both use the k03s on the mk4's yes? sorry im new to VAG tuning so trying to learn as much as i can
Internals and turbos are the same. The numbers are a bit on the low side but like has been said it could be the dyno, or it could be a few things. But without seeing the graph and some logs, all I'd be doing is guessing. The car isn't missing 30hp. Stage 2 is around 240ish usually.
But if the car drives good and feels powerful then it's most likely you've got a low reading dyno.
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or too small of an exhaust 
lol joke
Could be a various amount of factors but as the wise vroomtshh has said without logs all anyone here can do is guess
lol jokeCould be a various amount of factors but as the wise vroomtshh has said without logs all anyone here can do is guess
or too small of an exhaust
Could be a various amount of factors but as the wise vroomtshh has said without logs all anyone here can do is guess
very true..... but surely every1 can say that 220 bhp off a stage 2 is pretty low, dont want the gentleman done by a VXR now do we lol
stage 1 and id agree.
As others have said, best not to post at all if you don't know what your talking about.
The FR and Cupra stage 1 is exactly the same, they remap to the same figures.
The only difference is the Cupra has a FMIC not an SMIC like the FR but in terms of stage 1 they can both run the same and it is just the map that is the power difference between the FR and the Cupra, everything else power wise (turbo, internals, manifold etc etc) are all the same. Obviously the Cupra has the bigger brakes etc but thats not adding to the power figures.
Its only stage 2 onwards where the IC needs upgrading on an FR (Depends who you ask, some will say an SMIC is needed for stage 1 but Will at p-torque states its not required to upgrade it and i've noticed no heat soak or power loss from mine so i'm glad I listened to him and save myself a few quid.
My FR is stage 1 remapped by P-torque and it made 215bhp/262lb of torque. Standard it made 160bhp.
Dyno lottery for sure but alot of people go to will for their stage 1 maps so its a level comparison with alot of other peoples .
IMO that is very low for stage 2, as others have said 240bhp is the norm but again, depends on the dyno, temperatures etc.
The FR and Cupra stage 1 is exactly the same, they remap to the same figures.
The only difference is the Cupra has a FMIC not an SMIC like the FR but in terms of stage 1 they can both run the same and it is just the map that is the power difference between the FR and the Cupra, everything else power wise (turbo, internals, manifold etc etc) are all the same. Obviously the Cupra has the bigger brakes etc but thats not adding to the power figures.
Its only stage 2 onwards where the IC needs upgrading on an FR (Depends who you ask, some will say an SMIC is needed for stage 1 but Will at p-torque states its not required to upgrade it and i've noticed no heat soak or power loss from mine so i'm glad I listened to him and save myself a few quid.
My FR is stage 1 remapped by P-torque and it made 215bhp/262lb of torque. Standard it made 160bhp.
Dyno lottery for sure but alot of people go to will for their stage 1 maps so its a level comparison with alot of other peoples .
IMO that is very low for stage 2, as others have said 240bhp is the norm but again, depends on the dyno, temperatures etc.
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The man above speaks sense
A friend of mine runs stage 2 on an FR and it's 240+ bhp and just shy of 300ft/lb
My cupra has a stage 1 map but was modded more so after the map and at an RR the other day it rolled 244bhp and 278ft/lb and that's supposedly stage 1 an done on a dyno dynamics roller.
So I'd be very miffed with 217 bhp tbh
A friend of mine runs stage 2 on an FR and it's 240+ bhp and just shy of 300ft/lb
My cupra has a stage 1 map but was modded more so after the map and at an RR the other day it rolled 244bhp and 278ft/lb and that's supposedly stage 1 an done on a dyno dynamics roller.
So I'd be very miffed with 217 bhp tbh
The man above speaks sense
A friend of mine runs stage 2 on an FR and it's 240+ bhp and just shy of 300ft/lb
My cupra has a stage 1 map but was modded more so after the map and at an RR the other day it rolled 244bhp and 278ft/lb and that's supposedly stage 1 an done on a dyno dynamics roller.
So I'd be very miffed with 217 bhp tbh
237.5 bhp and 304ftlb is where it's at
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