this looks like a non turbo engine to me too!!!!The plot thickens..
I took the engine cover off again, had a good search, found a lug hidden behind 'somehing', the lug looks to be used to winch the engine out. Any way, lug had APG stamped on top of it.
Looking at some of your engines, they look differentto mine, in my inexperienced eyes.
Car only has 30k so i shouldnt have thought anything major had been done.
first pic is my engine, red arrow shows where i took the 2nd picture.
Any ideas?
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thanks for posting those lee.
maybe i should rename the thread "where the f is my turbo"
not sure what to do now or what the heck is/has gone on...
all i know is i bought a car advertised as 1.8 20v turbo sport,
that the original dealer says was a 1.8 20v injection (no mention of turbo), the log book, registration and everything else say it is a t... including my insurance company... and the checks i did befor buying...
grrrrrrr
maybe i should rename the thread "where the f is my turbo"
not sure what to do now or what the heck is/has gone on...
all i know is i bought a car advertised as 1.8 20v turbo sport,
that the original dealer says was a 1.8 20v injection (no mention of turbo), the log book, registration and everything else say it is a t... including my insurance company... and the checks i did befor buying...
grrrrrrr
I did say earlier the APG was a non turbo 1.8......I really feel for you if you've bought it as a turbo 
Why would someone swap a turbo engine for a 125bhp NA 1.8 engine tho? doesn't make much sense does it
Why would someone swap a turbo engine for a 125bhp NA 1.8 engine tho? doesn't make much sense does it
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Fishy isnt the word..
I was specifically looking for a non diesel leon turbo.
I bought (or at least thought i had) 2002 Seat Leon 1.8 20 valve turbo sport - £3500, 30k on clock and full dealer history. Thats what it was advertised as. I am 3rd owner.
Service stamp from Herts dealer every year except this. Theres no car info in the service book so i was suspicious that it was from another car, a call to the dealer who stamped it confirmed it was genuine.
Its not as simple as the engine has been swapped, the dealer also confirmed that it was sold as a leon 20v injection, no mention of a turbo.
I did a check through my car check.com and my wife did one but cant remember who with. Both came back 100% clean on a leon turbo.
V5 states leon turbo (but engine number is down as unknown).
My insurance also confirmed the car to be leon turbo.
To say i am confused would be a bit of an understatement.
Did the person who bought it new not realise a: that they didnt have a turbo or b: that the insurance was way too high and that the v5 says turbo its a turbo.
Any ideas where to start trying to sort this mess out?
Hopefully so i can get all my money back (car and repairs) and buy the real thing.
To top it off, i had 2 new back tyres fitted yesterday morning
and hopefully i can get refunded for the forge and filter that i obviousley wont be needing now.
Cheers.
I was specifically looking for a non diesel leon turbo.
I bought (or at least thought i had) 2002 Seat Leon 1.8 20 valve turbo sport - £3500, 30k on clock and full dealer history. Thats what it was advertised as. I am 3rd owner.
Service stamp from Herts dealer every year except this. Theres no car info in the service book so i was suspicious that it was from another car, a call to the dealer who stamped it confirmed it was genuine.
Its not as simple as the engine has been swapped, the dealer also confirmed that it was sold as a leon 20v injection, no mention of a turbo.
I did a check through my car check.com and my wife did one but cant remember who with. Both came back 100% clean on a leon turbo.
V5 states leon turbo (but engine number is down as unknown).
My insurance also confirmed the car to be leon turbo.
To say i am confused would be a bit of an understatement.
Did the person who bought it new not realise a: that they didnt have a turbo or b: that the insurance was way too high and that the v5 says turbo its a turbo.
Any ideas where to start trying to sort this mess out?
Hopefully so i can get all my money back (car and repairs) and buy the real thing.
To top it off, i had 2 new back tyres fitted yesterday morning
and hopefully i can get refunded for the forge and filter that i obviousley wont be needing now.
Cheers.
give trading standards a bell. If you have been sold a turbo then its been missold.
horrible mess... hope its easy to sort
horrible mess... hope its easy to sort
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The horrible mess got worse yesterday.
Called the garage, told the guy that me claiming back the money for the lamda repairs was now a minor problem and explained to them they sold me a turbo car that doesnt have a turbo. I was promptly told to "go f* myself" and that i had taken the turbo off myself. (somehow i dont think its that easy).
Anyway trading standards tomorrow and hopefully some progress can be made.
Called the garage, told the guy that me claiming back the money for the lamda repairs was now a minor problem and explained to them they sold me a turbo car that doesnt have a turbo. I was promptly told to "go f* myself" and that i had taken the turbo off myself. (somehow i dont think its that easy).
Anyway trading standards tomorrow and hopefully some progress can be made.
im not sure you could physically find room for a turbo ob that set up. Might be worth taking it to a seat dealer and asking them exactly what youve got. I think the engine code itself proves its a non turbo... so be hard for you to remove it... it was never there.
good luck.
good luck.
You need to spend some time today to get yourself organised and your plan of attack mapped out. Get prepared, have a plan and follow it. Also, know what you want the outcome to be (ie you want a full refund for the car and any money you have spent on it in repairs and maintenance).
Make sure you have the original advert, your receipt, and all the paperwork that confirms it advertised and sold as a turbo. Then in parallel with all the other stuff for tomorrow start to gather the info from Seat that confirms it as a non-turbo from new. As you said earlier that a Seat dealer confirmed it was sold as a non-turbo from new, see if they would be prepared to put that in writing on headed paper for you.
All the car search agencies and insurance companies base the car details and model on the original log book which may have been listed wrong from new - they accept whatever the registering dealer put down. I know this because my FR was originally listed as a Cupra and I could not insure it (before delivery and receiving the log book) as an FR when new, so I contacted DVLA and had it changed to an FR and new log book issued as a correction (I bought it new as an FR so its not a dodgy change!!). After that, I could insure it as an FR!
Either way, a car dealer is classed as a professional in his/her field of expertise and would be expected to have spotted the mistake by trading standards etc. He would not have a leg to stand on in court and your engine number should match the log book, which obviously would not have been altered since you had it, so he couldn't claim you'd changed the engine or anything. Get this dispute put into the hands of trading standards tomorrow 1st thing and seek their advise as to how best to pursue your claim. I reckon they will first tell you to put the complaint in writing to him and sent registered post so you can prove delivery if it goes to court.
It'll be a pain but you can claim all costs from him when he loses the battle - which he will. Not sure of your "homeowner" status but a lot of home insurance covers legal advice and assistance etc so you might be able to do something there - even if you still live with parents.
If your car is financed, the finance company would also take an interest (although "personal loans" agencies/banks might not be so interested).
Lastly - does he advertise as being a member of a professional body or organisation of any sort ? Contact them too as they have a charter by which their members must operate. He will be in breach and they will also want to have a word with him and may help you too.
Be warned though - if you've had the car for any length of time you might hit a bit of an issue as there is only so long they give you before they will say that you have legally accepted the goods "as is". Get that legal advice tomorrow mate so you know exactly where you stand.
Make sure you have the original advert, your receipt, and all the paperwork that confirms it advertised and sold as a turbo. Then in parallel with all the other stuff for tomorrow start to gather the info from Seat that confirms it as a non-turbo from new. As you said earlier that a Seat dealer confirmed it was sold as a non-turbo from new, see if they would be prepared to put that in writing on headed paper for you.
All the car search agencies and insurance companies base the car details and model on the original log book which may have been listed wrong from new - they accept whatever the registering dealer put down. I know this because my FR was originally listed as a Cupra and I could not insure it (before delivery and receiving the log book) as an FR when new, so I contacted DVLA and had it changed to an FR and new log book issued as a correction (I bought it new as an FR so its not a dodgy change!!). After that, I could insure it as an FR!
Either way, a car dealer is classed as a professional in his/her field of expertise and would be expected to have spotted the mistake by trading standards etc. He would not have a leg to stand on in court and your engine number should match the log book, which obviously would not have been altered since you had it, so he couldn't claim you'd changed the engine or anything. Get this dispute put into the hands of trading standards tomorrow 1st thing and seek their advise as to how best to pursue your claim. I reckon they will first tell you to put the complaint in writing to him and sent registered post so you can prove delivery if it goes to court.
It'll be a pain but you can claim all costs from him when he loses the battle - which he will. Not sure of your "homeowner" status but a lot of home insurance covers legal advice and assistance etc so you might be able to do something there - even if you still live with parents.
If your car is financed, the finance company would also take an interest (although "personal loans" agencies/banks might not be so interested).
Lastly - does he advertise as being a member of a professional body or organisation of any sort ? Contact them too as they have a charter by which their members must operate. He will be in breach and they will also want to have a word with him and may help you too.
Be warned though - if you've had the car for any length of time you might hit a bit of an issue as there is only so long they give you before they will say that you have legally accepted the goods "as is". Get that legal advice tomorrow mate so you know exactly where you stand.
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