Rikko

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Guys once again your advise is so good and helpful i require it again. After speaking to the guys at AMD they inform me not to fit any type of aftermarket filter as the oil on them messis up the map sensor therefore running probs occur. Can you guys please shed some light on this matter as i was only going to fit a panel filter but now would like to know what options are out there and what you guys think to the situation as i notice quite afew of you have induction kits of some sort. Yes i do love the induction noise especially from the turbo suckin in all that extra air but is it worth a dodgy runnin engine.

once again thanks guys

p.s this forum is awesome for help

Rikko
 
its actually the MAF sensor that usually gets killed by the oil applied to these filters , most people on here use GREEN filters ( either panels or induction kits) and i personally have found they dont affect my MAF , any filter tho i assume if over oiled ( as u have to when you clean them) could kill the sensor tho ,

if you do a few searches you'll see most people are happy with the green panel filters , bill brockbank on here sells them too ( username ibizacupra)
 
Guys once again your advise is so good and helpful i require it again. After speaking to the guys at AMD they inform me not to fit any type of aftermarket filter as the oil on them messis up the map sensor therefore running probs occur. Can you guys please shed some light on this matter as i was only going to fit a panel filter but now would like to know what options are out there and what you guys think to the situation as i notice quite afew of you have induction kits of some sort. Yes i do love the induction noise especially from the turbo suckin in all that extra air but is it worth a dodgy runnin engine.

once again thanks guys

p.s this forum is awesome for help

Rikko

Overoiled induction kits yes this is potentially possible. What AmD have neglected to tell you is the major MAF failure cause is engine oil breather fume and or vibration.

There are 100's of people running on "lightly oiled" filters of various kinds and also std paper filters, and paper filter owners also suffer MAF failures. go figure.

Brands known to be no worse than paper filters being Green Filters for example to name but one.
 
ive run a green panel filter for around 8k now, not had any problems with the MAF sensor or running
could foresee and issue if you totally caked it in oil
 
I have an ITG filter in my cupra, I emailed ITG about the maf damage issue....
This is the reply I got from ITG.

Hi,
We have never had a MAF damaged due to oil in the filters, the oil we
put on
the filters is too heavy to become airborne. There has been a lot of
discussions on forums about oil on MAFs, but we have yet to see one
that has
been destroyed and weve been making filters for over ten years! There
could
be a residue at the bottom of the airbox over time which can be wiped
away
with a paper towel, but this will not affest the MAF either. Hope this
helps.

Regards
Tony Craven

Parts Manager

Induction Technology Group Ltd

Cheers,
Neil. :D
 
From http://www.knfilters.com/faq.htm

7. Will a K&N filter cause my vehicle’s mass air sensor to fail?

No, it is both impossible and ridiculous.

It is impossible because we know that the oil treatment on our cotton is very small (usually less than 2 ounces). Once the oil is properly and evenly absorbed through the cotton, no oil will come off, even under extreme engine conditions. It is ridiculous, because no dealership or service provider has ever been able to provide us with evidence to support this “myth,” and in fact, our investigations have revealed that even authorized dealerships are simply speculating and do not have the test equipment necessary to know whether the sensor has failed or why. It is even more ridiculous because some car manufacturers use and sell air filters treated with oil on a regular basis. There are also major brands of disposable air filters that are treated with oil. We all use oil for the same reason, it helps in the filtration efficiency of an air filter.

Out of the millions of air filters we sell, we only receive a handful of consumer complaints each month that a dealership or service provider has blamed a vehicle sensor repair on our product. We take each complaint very seriously and see it as an opportunity to stop a consumer from being taken advantage of. We investigate the situation thoroughly and take full responsibility for resolving the issue. For more information on how we educate and persuade the service provider to reconsider their position, see Mass Air Flow Sensor Information & Testing. We are so confident in our ability to resolve these situations and help a consumer fight back that we offer our Consumer Protection Pledge.

As a result of our standing up for consumer rights and providing assistance to resolve a disagreement, we have had 77 actual sensors sent to us by dealerships who claimed our product had caused them to fail. Microscopic, electronic and chemical testing revealed that none of the 77 sensors were contaminated by K&N oil (K&N Detailed MAF Sensor Test Results). What is perhaps the single biggest clue to what is going on is that over 50% of these sensors were not broken in the first place for any reason. Click here for more information on how this may happen. For more information on this topic, see our Mass Air Flow Sensor Statement page.
 
I've had a K&N Panel filter fitted to my 2002 Leon Cupra 20vT for nearly 18 months or 15,000 miles, never had any trouble whatsoever. Probably due for a check to see if its that dirty actually.

Personally I think its 'luck of the draw' for the MAF sensor, its renowed for causing problems without changing filters/induction kits etc.
 
I think the MAF problem is a bit of an urban myth really. As mentioned already, the MAF is prone to fail regardless of what filter you have, heck, my standard LCR had a faulty MAF!

If you over-oil the filter and don't allow it to dry or soak in at all before driving the car then I do believe you will have a problem, but then I would also believe you are too stupid to be driving a car ;)

Follow instructions and common sense and I think it's highly unlikely you'll ever have a problem.