Mythical Eccentric Bolt on Rear Suspension

[Fisher]

I rebuilt the front suspension of the car over Easter and took advantage of ATS being open on the Bank Holiday Monday to get the alignment reset.
I stupidly left the car with them.

Firstly they claim to have done a four wheel alignment on my 1999 Ibiza.
They claim the back was out so they did it all.
I didn't think this was possible as there is no adjustment on the back - They tell me there are eccentric bolts to adjust the rear toe.
Is this true, If this is not true does anyone have a photo or a schematic proving it so?
I asked them to show me the adjustment on the rear but the car was already off the ramp

Does anyone have access or know the recommended toe and camber settings for the front?
The car is running -1.5deg camber. I set this..(This is no doubt more than the book says).
I am also lowered about 25mm (The lower arms are parallel with the ground).
They claim the car should run 2.0 of toe in. Which is what they set it to despite my request for 30mins of toe out.
Apparently my request would have made the car unsafe?!

It handles like a pig. When the car hits an uneven surface it darts all over the road.
With the car running neg. camber it is going to produce camber thrust anyway. This is why I had requested a smidge of toe out.

Going to try and get my money back or at least something useful out of them.

Pretty pissed off being charged £57 and they haven't done what I've asked at all!

I'm trying to put together some evidence for a snotty letter, please help me out if you can.

 

[m0rk]

£57 to do front tracking?

You're right though - you cannot move (with bolts) the rear camber or toe.

-1.5deg camber is what I always ran on the 6k's - but book is -0.5

I can't remember my toe settings any more though.

I think you've been duped though

 

[Fisher]

£57 to do front tracking?

You're right though - you cannot move (with bolts) the rear camber or toe.

-1.5deg camber is what I always ran on the 6k's - but book is -0.5

I can't remember my toe settings any more though.

I think you've been duped though

Only by shimming the stub axles....right?

 

[m0rk]

Yup, that's the only way

 

[F2 Ed]

They claim the back was out so they did it all

 

[Dave_R]

Only by shimming the stub axles....right?

Yep, stub axels off and shims behind them. Had mine done.... Only way to adjust the rear camber & toe

 

[suj]

This is what pissed me off, I went to like 3-4 places for alignment, but I knew the rear axle is fixed, but everyone except 1 company were like "you need full front and back alignment"

NO I DON'T

Then went to see Aline, first thing he said "cannot do backs on these, they are fixed, unless you have rear camber shims?"

PS £57? WOW, I am getting front caster, camber and toe, rear camber and toe all done for £60 dude, go back and kick off...

 

[CraigW]

Suj Ive had a few places try the same with me but when I said the rear is fixed they look at me as if Im making it up and dont know what Im talking about.

There is some sort of check that can be done on the rear but its only to see if the rear beam is damaged/bent in some way.

 

[F2 Ed]

Suj Ive had a few places try the same with me but when I said the rear is fixed they look at me as if Im making it up and dont know what Im talking about.

There is some sort of check that can be done on the rear but its only to see if the rear beam is damaged/bent in some way.

They can check rear wheel alignment easy

...

but you can't adjust it, not without shims

Protyre do a full report front & rear but tell you they can only fix the front

 

[suj]

They do use the rear to then have a point of where the front is aligned to, but they can tell you like if there is castor on one side, then wishbones could be bent etc (or cars been in a crash), but as they are just using it as a reference point, you shouldn't be paying for that!!!

 

[F2 Ed]

The report when i bought my red one...

(Its going back once i've fitted these coilovers)

 

[Fisher]

Yeah, I kicked off with them.
Got a full refund and I think the area manager gave them all a roasting..

Now the girlfriend has buggered it up! - drove through basically a farm lane and ripped the driver side arch liner off its bracket and them drove it home with the bumper and chin spoiler dragging on the road!

All the bumper mounts are twisted and the eyelets in the arch liner and hole on the bumpers are all broken...............

 

[suj]

Bumper mounts will go back on.

Also get some self taper's into the archliner into the bumper dude, will be back to normal

 

[Fisher]

Bumper mounts will go back on.

Also get some self taper's into the archliner into the bumper dude, will be back to normal

The archliner has been cut in two by the tyre rubbing against it. - I've found someone breaking a GTi locally so I will get that tomorrow.

The back edge of the bumper seems to get a fair bit of its rigidity from attaching to the arch liner. - Wrestiling to re-attach the AirDam on the bottom of the bumper is my next problem!

Any ideas?

 

[suj]

Yep, a lot of rigidity is from the arch liner