New Cupra 'R'' - opinions?

hairyaardvark

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Sat in the new Cupra 'R' on Monday when i took my Cupra in for a DVD/Satnav fix.

To be brutally honest, my impressions weren't too great.
Just to be clear, I didn't get the chance to drive it, so I haven't written it off yet!
But these were my first impressions:

EXTERIOR : they have hardly moved this on at all. There are a couple of signature slits below the front grille, and some 'R' badges, but by and large the car looks the same. The promised 19' wheels weren't in evidence either - the car sitting in the showroom was on 18s (although a slightly different design from the older Cupra).

Weird, more angular wing mirrors have been added, and a puny-looking (for such a powerful car) exhaust sticks out the back.

Will be interested to see if they start pushing a K1 kit (or similar) for the new shape - IMO the older Cupra with the K1 kit looks waaaay more convincing than the new shape in plain form.

INTERIOR: apart from the nice leather quilt-style seats in the car I sat in, this was the biggest let-down.
Gone is the superb chunky steering wheel (one of my favourite aspects of the older shape). Gone is the shaped gearknob with the Cupra flag. Gone is the white-backed Cupra-exclusive dial designs. These things have been replaced with a fussy looking thinner steering wheel, an anonymous round-topped gearknob that looks like it came from a golf, and plain-backed, dull-designed instrument dials.

The whole centre console has been redesigned. I'm willing (hoping) to believe that it includes functional improvements of some kind, but looks-wise it is another big let down. The buttons look cheap, and feel flimsy. One rocker switch in particular looked like you could simply pull it off. The older unit felt far more solid.

Last night I also checked out the Evo magazine video of Tarquini taking the new Cupra R round some track in Spain. He seemed to be enjoying himself, but made some comments about where the new 'R' improved over the current Cupra. So the engine is more powerful - that is a given - and more torquey. But IMO the engine in the current Cupra is just fine, and supposedly comes completely to life with just a little remapping. Oh and the other area they have supposedly beefed up is the Brakes?? - which on my current Cupra are probably the best brakes I have ever had on a standard car I've owned (and believe me this is no small compliment - as I've previously run an Exige S, Subaru STi, Audi RS4 and TVR Sagaris - all of which had weaker standard brakes than my Cupra does).

But what they haven't apparently changed much at all is the Handling .... which is the one area of my current Cupra that I really feel could do with a serious improvement. The car suffers from bad understeer, excessive pitch and dive under acceleration and braking, and a general unsettled feeling when cornering on anything other than a-grade perfectly smooth tarmac.

All just IMHO of course.

Anyone else have any opinions?

cheers
DR:think::think:

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jezyg

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<Edited to say CUPRA "R" - not "T" - sorry, I am going mad.>

Sat in the new Cupra 'R' on Monday when i took my Cupra in for a DVD/Satnav fix.

To be brutally honest, my impressions weren't too great.
Just to be clear, I didn't get the chance to drive it, so I haven't written it off yet!
But these were my first impressions:

EXTERIOR : they have hardly moved this on at all. There are a couple of signature slits below the front grille, and some 'R' badges, but by and large the car looks the same. The promised 19' wheels weren't in evidence either - the car sitting in the showroom was on 18s (although a slightly different design from the older Cupra).

Weird, more angular wing mirrors have been added, and a puny-looking (for such a powerful car) exhaust sticks out the back.

Will be interested to see if they start pushing a K1 kit (or similar) for the new shape - IMO the older Cupra with the K1 kit looks waaaay more convincing than the new shape in plain form.

INTERIOR: apart from the nice leather quilt-style seats in the car I sat in, this was the biggest let-down.
Gone is the superb chunky steering wheel (one of my favourite aspects of the older shape). Gone is the shaped gearknob with the Cupra flag. Gone is the white-backed Cupra-exclusive dial designs. These things have been replaced with a fussy looking thinner steering wheel, an anonymous round-topped gearknob that looks like it came from a golf, and plain-backed, dull-designed instrument dials.

The whole centre console has been redesigned. I'm willing (hoping) to believe that it includes functional improvements of some kind, but looks-wise it is another big let down. The buttons look cheap, and feel flimsy. One rocker switch in particular looked like you could simply pull it off. The older unit felt far more solid.

Last night I also checked out the Evo magazine video of Tarquini taking the new Cupra R round some track in Spain. He seemed to be enjoying himself, but made some comments about where the new 'R' improved over the current Cupra. So the engine is more powerful - that is a given - and more torquey. But IMO the engine in the current Cupra is just fine, and supposedly comes completely to life with just a little remapping. Oh and the other area they have supposedly beefed up is the Brakes?? - which on my current Cupra are probably the best brakes I have ever had on a standard car I've owned (and believe me this is no small compliment - as I've previously run an Exige S, Subaru STi, Audi RS4 and TVR Sagaris - all of which had weaker standard brakes than my Cupra does).

But what they haven't apparently changed much at all is the Handling .... which is the one area of my current Cupra that I really feel could do with a serious improvement. The car suffers from bad understeer, excessive pitch and dive under acceleration and braking, and a general unsettled feeling when cornering on anything other than a-grade perfectly smooth tarmac.

All just IMHO of course.

Anyone else have any opinions?

cheers
DR:think::think:

Allot of the things you are talking about are stndard to the FL Leon and I thought the opposite IMO. Climate and stereo controls had a more quality feel especially as they were lifted from the Golf along with the large white LED display that is very clear to see. In use the design is allot better. I loved the steering wheel FR/Cupra/R and it looks very similar to an Audi design, I think it is an older Audi steering wheel with the new Golf/A3 steering wheel controls and newer Seat airbag (usual raid the VAG parts bin).

Interesting point on the 18" wheels I wonder if that is standard fo UK spec with our poor roads and the ride possibly being too firm? I do agree other than a few badges and red brake callipers the Cupra R looks like a standard Cupra. On the MK1 you had a 30Bhp and then 45Bhp difference for an extra £1500 and then £2000 difference. But they did look very different as well. Interested to read test drive reviews......
 

hairyaardvark

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It was in Letchworth .... but now you've said that about the 'R' not being in the country, you've made me doubt myself!!! Maybe it was just the new shape Cupra?
I stand by my comment though. If I walked into the showroom today looking for a new Cupra, it would have been a definite turn off.
 

jezyg

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Feb 21, 2003
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It was in Letchworth .... but now you've said that about the 'R' not being in the country, you've made me doubt myself!!! Maybe it was just the new shape Cupra?
I stand by my comment though. If I walked into the showroom today looking for a new Cupra, it would have been a definite turn off.

The R has an R badge on the front grill and an R nadge on the rear and does say R in the main cockpit but other than that looks the same as a Cupra. Interesting to hear a different view, I never liked the old climate and stereo and found the red display in the dash harder to read on the pre FL. Like many things it is all personal opnions especially looks and I am sure other will say they prefer th pre FL and vice versa. The new softer suspension settings and the engine in the FR TDi we test drove were even more noticiable improvements.
 

Ruddmeister

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Jun 23, 2003
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When is the new 'R' due in the country / due for delivery?

Read the EVO review in the magazine they said it sounds better (Intake and exhaust) and although the suspension is firmer the car rides better. Obviously it has more power too but the additional cost does make me wince a little.

Jury is out for me........won't be changing my Passat till next summer........currently it's not ruled in or out
 

product

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It was in Letchworth .... but now you've said that about the 'R' not being in the country, you've made me doubt myself!!! Maybe it was just the new shape Cupra?
I stand by my comment though. If I walked into the showroom today looking for a new Cupra, it would have been a definite turn off.
Absolutely guarantee that was not a Leon Cupra R.
 

webhype

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There are a couple of signature slits below the front grille, and some 'R' badges

He does say he saw some R badges... so confusing as to which model you saw in the showroom

I rang our local dealer in Leeds last week and they said there due the Cupra R showroom model in december.. so maybe its possible this letchworth dealer has an early showroom model?
 
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