New Ibiza 1.4 Toca or 1.2 Tsi I-tech

[Miller73]

Hi all, new here. I have been looking at the Ibiza for a while, mainly the 1.4 Toca on offer, seems I can get a brand new one for £9k give or take a few hundred. However I have seen some dealers offering the 1.2 Tsi engined i-tech for around £10.5k. Is it worth the extra? I know both are being discounted due to the new facelift model coming out next month however that does not concern me.

Any thoughts/opinions welcome, thanks!

 

[Fr2013]

I'd go for the 1.2TSI all day long.

I have the engine in FR trim and it's an absolute gem of an engine. Drive it hard and you get great responsiveness and surprisingly put many other cars to shame from the traffic lights love that turbo power in first gear, foot to the floor

Drive it gently and you'll get excellent MPG (I get about 45MPG on my extremely traffic ridden urban journey to work, and into the 50's on the motorway) and a nice relaxed hum to the engine (I love listening to it!)

If I'm right I think the I-Tech gets the nice interior too? I'm not so keen on the interior in the the Toca

 

[BJM]

I have the 1.2 tsi FR and the engine is a peach. Smooth, quiet and quite torquey for the size of it.

You should go and test drive both, the 1.4 is an old design now but may suit some peoples driving style more than the tsi.

 

[RUM4MO]

I'd expect that the 1.4 16V engine will not be Euro6 compliant, so they can not be sold new after 1st September - that is my understanding of these engines and others.

If that is true, the road tax will start to be ramped up year on year on older engines, that would make buying the 1.2TSI the better buy.

Having said that, I'd expect these 1.2TSI engines to disappear as well with the introduction of the cleaner and probably cheaper to build 1.0TSI engines.

For all that, I have just bought my wife a new Polo 1.2TSI 110PS and was keen to "grab" one of the last ones built as I don't know what the 1.0TSI engines will turn out to be as far as reliability/durability is concerned.

Wife's previous car was a 2002 Polo 1.4 16V 75PS which is a close relation of the latest 1.4 16V 85PS, these engines are not "exciting" but do seem to be reliable, I'd doubt if my wife will get 13 years use out of her new 1.2TSI engine, so many ancillaries and sensors to worry about, but you can't stop progress. Don't get me wrong, given the choice of the 1.4 85PS and 1.2TSI 110PS, I'm sure that she would rather having the 1.2TSI 110PS.

Really depends what you want and expect from your new car.

 

[camelspyyder]

I've got both engines. The 1.2 is great. I totally agree with BJM about how good. It is a hoot to drive but guzzles a fair bit of the juice if you're having fun. The 1.4 is...just OK, and does about the same mpg but is a lot slower. I also test drove the 1.2 against the 1.6TDi and believe me I wouldn't have bought the TDi if it did 100mpg - the 1.2 is so much nicer.

I just bought a brand new £9k Toca for SWMBO and we're very pleased with it. She doesn't need the 1.2, but if I'd bought it for me I'd have had the turbo.

I don't think the i-tech is much of an upgrade from the SE/Toca otherwise.


Both the choices are EURO 5 The 1.2 /105 and the 1.4, so after Sep 1st they'll have to be pre-reg ones as mentioned above.

 

[RUM4MO]

---------- the 1.4 is an old design now but may suit some peoples driving style more than the tsi.

Exactly, I don't mind driving daughter's 2009 Ibiza 1.4 16V 85PS S/C, excellent around town and out of town - actually brilliant to drive when compared with wife's old 2002 Polo 1.4 16V 75PS - not a fair comment as the old Polo/Ibiza etc was heavier and more. (Ibiza 1.4 16V 85PS - today's use, 55MPH = 55MPG over 110 miles.)

 

[Fr2013]

As above, I'd also agree that a test drive of both engines would be advantageous

 

[RUM4MO]

--- I just bought a brand new £9k Toca for SWMBO and we're very pleased with it. She doesn't need the 1.2, but if I'd bought it for me I'd have had the turbo.

Ah, that is not fair, my wife had a 1.6Si 90PS Zetec engined Fiesta prior to having the 2002 Polo 1.4 16V 75PS, I thought that the Polo being newer would be just as "good" or better in the drivability stakes, how wrong I was, but with 85PS it probably would have been almost good enough, her smoother 1.2TSI 110PS should do! (I have a B8 S4 with 330+PS - so I'm okay!)

 

[Miller73]

Thanks for the opinions everyone. I have done a bit more digging and the difference in spec between the two is hardly anything really, a few minor cosmetic trim enhancements aside it looks like I would be paying an extra £1500 to £2000 basically for the better engine. Not sure if its worth the extra, considering the 1.4 will be quicker than by current 70PS Fabia.......decisions decisions...

 

[Fr2013]

I'm sure you'll be in a good position whatever you go for as they'll want rid of those cars for the new facelift ones coming in. Make the most of your haggling power

 

[RUM4MO]

I don't know what version of Fabia 1.2 you have, but the original version and probably the next version were a lot heavier than the latest version, which is reflected in the equivalent Ibiza and Polo model weights. To put it into prospective, with the 2002 Polo I felt that it needed to be dragged along the road, the 2009 Ibiza and wife's 2015 Polo are just so free that they almost run away without any great input of engine power.

 

[Miller73]

I don't know what version of Fabia 1.2 you have, but the original version and probably the next version were a lot heavier than the latest version, which is reflected in the equivalent Ibiza and Polo model weights. To put it into prospective, with the 2002 Polo I felt that it needed to be dragged along the road, the 2009 Ibiza and wife's 2015 Polo are just so free that they almost run away without any great input of engine power.

Its the old 12V 3 cylinder job. Great around town and sounds ace when revved but it struggles on the motorway, economy is pretty crap as well I struggle to see 40MPG. I have gone on carwow to see what offers they can come up with. Doing the sums if I can get the Tsi for £1500 more I will probably go with that, assuming I keep it 5 years I will pull back £600 over that time on the road tax alone, and it offers a bit better MPG as well.

 

[RUM4MO]

--- I have gone on carwow to see what offers they can come up with. Doing the sums if I can get the Tsi for £1500 more I will probably go with that, assuming I keep it 5 years I will pull back £600 over that time on the road tax alone, and it offers a bit better MPG as well.

And Orange Wheels and Drive The Deal - then use that with local dealers, underhand, but so what, basically that is what I did, adding on a bit for buying local, ie no travel costs.

 

[100andthirty]

The 1.4 Toca is not bad, it's just fhat the 1.2TSi is so much better. Like others, we have a 1.4 and a 1,2TSi FR in the family. The FR is so much nicer to drive, except for the rock hard suspension. I imagine that a 1.2TSI engine with non-sports suspension is just about the ideal Ibiza, and that, it seems to me, is the iTech. With the new revised models imminent, I would push hard for a deal. If you are being quoted £10.5k, then you might be able to get down to £10k or get some "free" accessories....at least go for a spare wheel and mats.

 

[stu_m]

I have the 1.2 tsi in FR trim

I recently too it in for some warranty work and they gave me a 1.4 to drive for the day!

I have never been so glad to get back in to my own car!

The 1.4 felt very sluggish! and very underpowered! trying to get it to 70 was painful!

 

[AaronD]

I have a 2014 Ibiza Cupra for sale with 7k miles and 3 years warranty for £10k. Let me know if you'd like to know more.

 

[dm222]

1.4 here, satisfied with the engine, the only thing bad with this car is the power steering...
If the 1.2TSI had hydraulic power steering I would chose that one.

 

[camelspyyder]

I have the 1.2 tsi in FR trim

I recently too it in for some warranty work and they gave me a 1.4 to drive for the day!

I have never been so glad to get back in to my own car!

The 1.4 felt very sluggish! and very underpowered! trying to get it to 70 was painful!

Yes you have to cane the 1.4 a bit - It doesn't offer much below 3000 and even above that its not great. The TSi on the other hand when the boost builds I think the understated power output of the 105 surprises when you try it out. Many independent dyno tests of the 105 have rated it between 114 and 120 bhp. Mines nicely run-in now and certainly faster than I expected.


3door Tocas are now down to £8k (+130 tax) 3-door i-techs £9.4k

 

[Miller73]

Yes you have to cane the 1.4 a bit - It doesn't offer much below 3000 and even above that its not great. The TSi on the other hand when the boost builds I think the understated power output of the 105 surprises when you try it out. Many independent dyno tests of the 105 have rated it between 114 and 120 bhp. Mines nicely run-in now and certainly faster than I expected.


3door Tocas are now down to £8k (+130 tax) 3-door i-techs £9.4k

Hi camelspyder, could you tell me where those are advertised? Best delas I can seem to get at tthe moment is £8.5k for the toca and £10.5k for the itech. Is it right they have to all be registered by the end of next month due to the euro 5 engines?

 

[100andthirty]

As far as I know, all new cars from 1/9/15 must meet Euro 6. So, I think there will be significant wriggle room to negotiate a deal especially if you find a dealer with stock to dispose of. Only a few days before these cars have to be registered and then they'll lose about £1000 in value. I reckon you might get a deal by phoning around and then visiting the most likely prospect.