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andycupra

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to clarify regards HIDS:
after market fitted HIDS are acceptable, as long as the beam pattern is ok, colour of lights and you have fitted in a way that things are secure and not offering a danger. (so no wires or ballasts dangling next to the timing belt :) )

going back to the OPs questions:

1. engine covers fitted obscuring some components in the engine bay
this is purely to cover their arses, as tehy cannot inspect fuel lines etc. although seems madness as this will be the case for 90% of vehicles.

2. turbo pipe insecuer
this could be the pipe running throug the wheel arch? (pancake pipe)

3. items removed from driver's view
was there anything at all on dash or near windscreen>? satnav would be included in this.
(although i find it amazing they suggest fitting it down by ashtrays etc so you have to look down there to see where to go..)

4. nearside front (lens marked) headlamp deteriorated but light output not reduced
I guess you could argue this is a pro-active advisory, is that they are saying its showing signs of wear but working. But again its seems a little OTT.

It will be interesting to see if more advisories are given generally. It might be a VOSA observation that there are too many failure and not enough advisories. (there should be a generally accepted approximate ratios that is expected, - particularly given some of the MOT changes in recent years which should have led to more advisories)

Something that auditors often find with companies in general, - where systems allow you to record notes or observations that are warnings not failures why is it that generally most people record failures but very few observations or warnings. When if you act on warnings there should be more warnings than failures.
I suspect that VOSA could say to a garage something like:
"so you had 1,500 items last year that failed and needed repair.. but we notice only 500 advisories. Why is this? are you unfairly failing cars? or are you not recorded advisories / doing your job properly"?

In my expereince MOT testers often tell you verbally if they see something thats not a fail rather than record them all if its not a big issue.
From a quality point of view, and in my opinion only, most MOT testers could be ripped apart.
 
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to clarify regards HIDS:
after market fitted HIDS are acceptable, as long as the beam pattern is ok, colour of lights and you have fitted in a way that things are secure and not offering a danger. (so no wires or ballasts dangling next to the timing belt :) )

Sound mate cheers
I'd best get fastening some wires then!
 

antony-lcr

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As said with hid's. As long as the light is mainly white, a blueish tint is acceptable of course it's down to testers descression on what they deem blue. It's the same for sidelight's. Nowhere in the mot manual does it say about hid fitment issue. Although a random fact did you know number plate lamps can be any colour, in the manual it isn't stated what colour they should be. Don't you love vosa :D
 

IH786

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Need to find a better place to get your MOT.

Mine just glanced at the underneath of my car for a few minutes, checked if all the lights worked and passed it :whistle:
 

andycupra

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As said with hid's. As long as the light is mainly white, a blueish tint is acceptable of course it's down to testers descression on what they deem blue. It's the same for sidelight's. Nowhere in the mot manual does it say about hid fitment issue. Although a random fact did you know number plate lamps can be any colour, in the manual it isn't stated what colour they should be. Don't you love vosa :D
although there is control over what colour they can be via other general rules and regulations regards light colours.
 

Goo

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Had mine in for MOT at the weekend, failed on headlight beam one to high one to low, although they couldnt adjust it as it requires a screwdriver to get the covers off to get to the light to make adjustments. The tester said tho that without the equipment to test the beam level etc its impossible to check it prior to the mot properly as up against a wall mine looks fine to me, but not to the fancy doo da they have to test the beam pattern in the mot center.

and rear bush on the front suspension arm had "too much movement" :( so would it be best to just get a new arm with 2 new bushes in or just replace the bush?

and I wonderd why my air freshner was on the dash :lol:
 

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It seems that they almost have to put advisories on the MOT. This year I had an advisory that brake pad was low 3.5mm (Probably good for another 12000 miles) and last year I got a couple of advisories, one of them was that the indicator bulb was going a bit white (Really??) The indicator bulb is still the same bulb and I guess must have gone back to yellow through the year as the car was MOT'd a few days ago by the same garage and there was no mention of the bulb.

My last car had 5 advisories on it's MOT which I never got round to even looking at and the following year I expected it to fail on at least all 5 of the advisories and it passed the MOT with no advisories.
 

Woodsy19

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was recently dissapointed to hear that a law against HID's was coming into place as i recently bought a HID conversion kit. Guess ill have to be happy with filter bulbs :/
 

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i dont see why they give you an advisory for a factory fit cover :confused: manufacturers put them there

VOSA and lotus recently went to court over a certain type of undertrays fitted to their vehicles. VOSA protesed that these covers prevented a proper inspection taking place and should be removed prior to the mot.

lotus contested and won so which ever vehicles they are fitted to only have half an mot because the entire underside is covered up.

something i found out recently about the toyota prius really put VOSA into light.

apparently on idle the prius cannot pass a standard emmisions test because at this engine speed the mechanical motor is charging the electronic motor, only toyota have the means to deactivate the charge cycle and VOSA deemed it unfair to make third parties purchase this equipment so an emmisions test is not required, at all.
 

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was recently dissapointed to hear that a law against HID's was coming into place as i recently bought a HID conversion kit. Guess ill have to be happy with filter bulbs :/

The law does not prevent you from having HIDs, it only stipulates that:

  • it should typically function just as a halogen bulb would i.e beam pattern correct, turn on and off without delay etc
  • Not appear to be to blue
  • if a cleaning system is fitted FROM THE FACTORY it should work to pass the MOT
  • Self levelling systems were cast asside as checking them would prove too much of a pain

so you can still have them but they must follow the above rules.
 

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MOT advisories are things the MOT tester notices in the course of the test. They are put down so you are aware that they may be issues which need addressing before the next MOT test. If a tester saw for example the brakes were wearing badly, but not worn enough to fail the test is it not better that he formerly tells you so you can keep a check on them and replace when required OR that he says nothing on the assumption Mrs Blogs the 85 year old will recognize when they need changing? I for one would rather I got an advisory so I knew what was going to need attention.
Advisories are NOT failure points so you don't HAVE to do anything about them.
 

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MOT advisories are things the MOT tester notices in the course of the test. They are put down so you are aware that they may be issues which need addressing before the next MOT test. If a tester saw for example the brakes were wearing badly, but not worn enough to fail the test is it not better that he formerly tells you so you can keep a check on them and replace when required OR that he says nothing on the assumption Mrs Blogs the 85 year old will recognize when they need changing? I for one would rather I got an advisory so I knew what was going to need attention.
Advisories are NOT failure points so you don't HAVE to do anything about them.

well put.

advisories can be issued year after year and the car often dies with them still as an advisory. these days its just a case of any tester covering there back and they mean very little.

you can have such a thing as a dangerous advisory which is an item that is considered dangerous BUT is not part of the test an example of this would be an insecure roof box - its not on the test and doesnt prevent the test from taking place yet it could quite easily fall off and injure a pedestrian.
 
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antony-lcr

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Their's a link on the directgov/vosa website which has the mot
Manual on there. I think people should read it in detail before posting up about advisories etc and the new legislation's that are coming into force as there seem's to be alot
Of misguided advice on here. Also the mot test has to be carried out without the use of common sense, stupid you may think but it's their way or no way. Vosa are keen to enforce this on their course's
 
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