Guard-X. Knew it was here somewhere. Had interior done with Scotchguard too. Smells like pear drops.
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HarveyWoods
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I took my son, 11yrs old and Top Gear bonkers, to see the Exeo on Saturday and it received his seal of approval, step 1! I will be arranging a test drive for a couple of weeks time where the whole family will see it and drive in it. I can't make it earlier which is annoying as I am impatient to try it now but hey ho, there is nothing I can do about that.
The answers back have been useful and looking through the forum the feeling is generally very positive. Forums can be a mixed bunch, very enthusiastic people, those who have received a Friday afternoon car and the best of the lot, those in between. The opinions on here seem to be very positive but not in a deluded way. I'll come back after the test drive just to confirm where I am going next.
The answers back have been useful and looking through the forum the feeling is generally very positive. Forums can be a mixed bunch, very enthusiastic people, those who have received a Friday afternoon car and the best of the lot, those in between. The opinions on here seem to be very positive but not in a deluded way. I'll come back after the test drive just to confirm where I am going next.
Before you put too many miles on invest in a strip of 3M clear coating on the front bonnet, I wished I had done that now co's the front does seem very prone to paint chipping etc. [ this has been discussed on another thread here]
Paint treatment and general ramblings
Thanks for that - quite a few chips on the front of mine (two years old, 34k on it, so a bit up on miles), so it might be a bit late now. Any idea on price, I might check it out, though?
Drove the Exeo properly for the first time today - just 40-odd miles to work and back, the long way round - so a few thoughts: ride surprisingly good on Sport suspension, although it was worth turning up the (OK) hi-fi on back roads to hide a few creaks I hadn't noticed before! Seems to be better on sunny days, but I'm guessing that's the plastic warming up. Or something.
Gearbox a bit reluctant to engage first when cold and there's a bit of a clonk into second, seem to have to push the clutch to its full extent to change gear. Might get the dealer to have a look - what do you think? Still under warranty for another year, so not worrying about it - yet.
Had to take a detour off the M1 coming home - and watched mpg slump by using third and fourth a bit too much. Having to learn to drive to the torque much more instead of treating it like a petrol motor. Still find it a bit gruff at about 40 in fifth and haven't decided whether the gearchange indicator is a good or bad thing - mixed messages about changing up to a gear the engine sometimes doesn't seem comfortable with, or down when it seems to be cruising quite happily. Finished up with indicated 44.6 mpg, which is OK but not exactly startling, as I thought I was trying quite hard to drive economically. And it seems to take an age to warm up, which can't exactly help - is there some kind of winter/summer setting thing I've missed somewhere?
Seem to be carping a bit, but that's because the good stuff is very good indeed. The car has an unburstable, secure feel, the engine revs quite sweetly for a diesel, it's very comfortable and it's beginning to shrink around me a bit. Which is nice. The Toledo was much daintier by comparison and easier to place on the road, but the Exeo's size is beginning to grow on me, if that's not a contradiction in terms. I think it's the beaky nose and rear overhang that makes it look bigger than it really is.
Any road up, rambling a bit now.
Just wondering about a couple of other things: were the early Exeos (mine's Nov '09) subject to any recalls (and if so, for what) and have any owners of early models had any faults show up, especially if the work was done under warranty? May be over-anxious, but this is the most I've ever spent on a car, so just seeking re-assurance that I've made the right choice. And it's a long time since I had a warranty too - so intend to use it if I have to.
Cheers.
Thanks for that - quite a few chips on the front of mine (two years old, 34k on it, so a bit up on miles), so it might be a bit late now. Any idea on price, I might check it out, though?
Drove the Exeo properly for the first time today - just 40-odd miles to work and back, the long way round - so a few thoughts: ride surprisingly good on Sport suspension, although it was worth turning up the (OK) hi-fi on back roads to hide a few creaks I hadn't noticed before! Seems to be better on sunny days, but I'm guessing that's the plastic warming up. Or something.
Gearbox a bit reluctant to engage first when cold and there's a bit of a clonk into second, seem to have to push the clutch to its full extent to change gear. Might get the dealer to have a look - what do you think? Still under warranty for another year, so not worrying about it - yet.
Had to take a detour off the M1 coming home - and watched mpg slump by using third and fourth a bit too much. Having to learn to drive to the torque much more instead of treating it like a petrol motor. Still find it a bit gruff at about 40 in fifth and haven't decided whether the gearchange indicator is a good or bad thing - mixed messages about changing up to a gear the engine sometimes doesn't seem comfortable with, or down when it seems to be cruising quite happily. Finished up with indicated 44.6 mpg, which is OK but not exactly startling, as I thought I was trying quite hard to drive economically. And it seems to take an age to warm up, which can't exactly help - is there some kind of winter/summer setting thing I've missed somewhere?
Seem to be carping a bit, but that's because the good stuff is very good indeed. The car has an unburstable, secure feel, the engine revs quite sweetly for a diesel, it's very comfortable and it's beginning to shrink around me a bit. Which is nice. The Toledo was much daintier by comparison and easier to place on the road, but the Exeo's size is beginning to grow on me, if that's not a contradiction in terms. I think it's the beaky nose and rear overhang that makes it look bigger than it really is.
Any road up, rambling a bit now.
Just wondering about a couple of other things: were the early Exeos (mine's Nov '09) subject to any recalls (and if so, for what) and have any owners of early models had any faults show up, especially if the work was done under warranty? May be over-anxious, but this is the most I've ever spent on a car, so just seeking re-assurance that I've made the right choice. And it's a long time since I had a warranty too - so intend to use it if I have to.
Cheers.
I find fifth really only useable above 50mph and sixth above 65, but then again mine is a MY11 and a bit higher geared than yours I think. As for the gearchange indicator, well I think it's a waste of space! it always want's to change up too early. The first time mine goes into the workshop I'll ask them to turn it off, but I can't waste the time taking it in just for that.
HarveyWoods
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I have the same indicator on my Yeti, I think the central electronic dash display is the same throughout the VAG group, and if I followed its advice on gear change I would spend all of my time juddering around the roads. It is an irritant and a sop to so called green motoring. The reality is you change gear when the engine noise and feel tells you to. It would be good to know if you can turn it off as it is just a distraction, to me anyway.
The gear change indicator is poop. If I was to follow it I would be trashing the duel Mass flywheel by chugging around everywhere at 1300rpm.
Gear box has thinner oil [ compare Audi B7 and B8 oil types - helps the Co2 !?!@] mine had a similar problem.
Yes driving a diesel IS different style and is a leaning curve. You should be getting around 50 52 and only have the drop down when it goes into Re gen mode [had mine up to 56 and thats with 210hp]
And it seems to take an age to warm up,
The diesels are far more thermally efficient and so do not heat up that quickly, have yet to have mine through a winter yet - I might have to put a bit of card in front of radiator yet . ............................!!
HarveyWoods
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A new question for people, same car though. On the satnav, does it come pre-loaded with points of interest, POI? Is it possible to upload them?
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Bit of an update. I test drove the car this morning, loved it. Slick gear box, engine has plenty of poke and it holds the road nicely. I test drove the Sport model, it was the only demonstrator they had, but there was no excessive bumpiness or jarring. The ride was actually very good and should be even better on the SE Tech. All in all I was very impressed. Lead times are 10-12 weeks so I just have to sit on my hands now and hope the deals currently on are still there next year.
One question - Why are Seat not promoting this car? It is a cracking car but you rarely see it advertised and I certainly do not see many on the road. Very odd.
One question - Why are Seat not promoting this car? It is a cracking car but you rarely see it advertised and I certainly do not see many on the road. Very odd.
well i`ve seen 3 in our town but there is allot of audi`s that been so the exeo looks like a audi from the side
Harvey - if there are deals now the order is taken as at the time of ordering and deposit. I ordered mine in March whilst it was still VAT free and was delivered in July and apid as per the deal at the time. All issues now resolved and loving the car 6,000miles under my belt - its a little beuty - why SEAT dont plug it morein the UK I'll never know. NB this can also apply to future deals whicch you may miss out on. That said they were flexible with me as Xenons were paid for at time of order but then standard on the build as the build spec changed after order - but managed to negotiate a reduction in the difference
Hi All,
This thread seems to have lot's of good info already so a good time to feed back on my car generally, I have a Saloon Sport 170CR, have put 2k on it out of 12k total:-
Ride quality - there seems to be a wide variation of opinion on this, I think the ride is very supple considering the 18" wheels on the Sport and no where near as harsh as my wife's Altea Sport on 17" wheels with softer 225/45/17 on Altea instead of 225/40/18. The Fenix alloys do look a bit vulnerable but tyres with rim protection can help.
Headlights - my ideal Exeo would be a Sport with Xenon upgrades (get a 2012 Sport!!) but I couldn't afford new, couldn't find one 2nd hand like that and didn't want to buy an SE Lux. Although I'm fussy on headlights they are actually pretty good halogens, remember the factory bulbs are good quality and replacements should be the best you can buy, there is big variation out there. Appreciate a test drive can't really tell you about this so hope it helps.
Music - I got a Bose upgrade already in the car (ex-demo) and although I wasn't fussed at the time, I really like it now, the extra bass is great, very low freq. The iPod functionality isn't great but after no iPod feature at all in my old Passat it's very welcome!
Engine - very smooth after the Passat PD engine, quiet, almost sounds like a V5 or v6 on startup. Not as economical as I'd hoped, in August with no aircon I was just getting 50mpg, now down to 46 ish with gentle driving. Hoping more miles will improve this. Sometimes get a booming note - DPF regeneration perhaps.
Paint - my Track Grey car has very smooth paint, possibly as a demo it got more and better polish than most cars, but regardless the actual paint finish seems a high standard.
Likes - seats, solid classy interior, engine, looks, spec, value for money (£13k for 10 month old car)
Dislikes - gearbox is a bit clunky when cold, broken sun visor clip(!), slow to warm up on cold day, only one 12V point, missing bits of trim from Audi spec ---- in other words, not much!
I think the Exeo is an ideal choice for someone wanting say an A4 or 3 Series BMW build quality for huge savings. If you check out the new A4 interior for comparison, it's harder plastics and creaky compared to the Exeo. Very happy so far.
This thread seems to have lot's of good info already so a good time to feed back on my car generally, I have a Saloon Sport 170CR, have put 2k on it out of 12k total:-
Ride quality - there seems to be a wide variation of opinion on this, I think the ride is very supple considering the 18" wheels on the Sport and no where near as harsh as my wife's Altea Sport on 17" wheels with softer 225/45/17 on Altea instead of 225/40/18. The Fenix alloys do look a bit vulnerable but tyres with rim protection can help.
Headlights - my ideal Exeo would be a Sport with Xenon upgrades (get a 2012 Sport!!) but I couldn't afford new, couldn't find one 2nd hand like that and didn't want to buy an SE Lux. Although I'm fussy on headlights they are actually pretty good halogens, remember the factory bulbs are good quality and replacements should be the best you can buy, there is big variation out there. Appreciate a test drive can't really tell you about this so hope it helps.
Music - I got a Bose upgrade already in the car (ex-demo) and although I wasn't fussed at the time, I really like it now, the extra bass is great, very low freq. The iPod functionality isn't great but after no iPod feature at all in my old Passat it's very welcome!
Engine - very smooth after the Passat PD engine, quiet, almost sounds like a V5 or v6 on startup. Not as economical as I'd hoped, in August with no aircon I was just getting 50mpg, now down to 46 ish with gentle driving. Hoping more miles will improve this. Sometimes get a booming note - DPF regeneration perhaps.
Paint - my Track Grey car has very smooth paint, possibly as a demo it got more and better polish than most cars, but regardless the actual paint finish seems a high standard.
Likes - seats, solid classy interior, engine, looks, spec, value for money (£13k for 10 month old car)
Dislikes - gearbox is a bit clunky when cold, broken sun visor clip(!), slow to warm up on cold day, only one 12V point, missing bits of trim from Audi spec ---- in other words, not much!
I think the Exeo is an ideal choice for someone wanting say an A4 or 3 Series BMW build quality for huge savings. If you check out the new A4 interior for comparison, it's harder plastics and creaky compared to the Exeo. Very happy so far.
Hi, Harvey. Good to hear your thoughts on the Exeo - wasn't sure you'd like it after the Yeti, because it's so different.
Interestingly, when I got mine ('09 143 Sport) the dealer also had an SE in the same Urano grey for sale right next to it. But I never even bothered to give it a spin, because I was so impressed with the stance, the interior, seats and the ride/handling of the Sport, even though the SE was cheaper and had fewer miles on it. I also sat in an SE Lux and while the leather was nice, the seats weren't as grippy as those in the Sport. Overall, I don't regret my decision, although I can understand why some may not think the same way.
I've just returned from a 200 mile round trip today to the Classic Car Show at Birmingham NEC (the first decent journey I've done since I got it) and the Exeo was superb - comfortable, quiet and quick, with a really "planted" feel that inspires confidence. It did an indicated 52 mpg overall on the outward leg and 48 on the return (acceptable, since I WAS really getting a move on after my outdated sat/nav sent me on an unwanted detour on the way back). Generally, it's returning 47-54 mpg in day-to-day running without getting too anal about it, which is fine by me after the 30-odd I used to get with a V5 Toledo.
I agree with some of the points raised by Exeowner and others - the gearbox and clutch ARE a bit grouchy when cold and the car DOES seem to take a long time to warm through, which I concur may yet be a problem in winter because I don't have a garage. And - curiously - mine also had a broken sun visor clip on the driver's side, which was fixed before sale. Another minor gripe is a (very) slight vibration through the steering at high speed on some surfaces, which may be down to the 18s but could also be a wheel balance/tracking/tyre issue, and acts as a timely reminder to back off a little and does little to spoil the overall experience. Being REALLY picky, the 12V socket is too near the gear lever and handbrake so, for instance, the sat/nav lead gets in the way - not a problem with the Tech, obviously; the front armrest is annoying around town but really nice on the motorway, and the standard stereo lacks a bit of bass - but that's why the BOSE option is there, I suppose. And I wish the air vents were illuminated at night. But that really is it.
All I can say is that after slogging round the NEC all day, I felt really pampered driving back in the Exeo. That interior is a calm, relaxing place to be, the climate control is excellent and with Steely Dan's back catalogue playing off a memory stick and the cruise control set at....well, let's just say a "brisk" pace, it was a lovely drive. Don't get me wrong, I still miss a lot of things about the Toledo, but certainly not its thirst, and the Exeo rides better, has more room, is (almost) as smooth once it's warmed up and in real world terms is just as quick. In other words, Harvey, it's a proper, grown-up car and whichever model you plump for it shouldn't disappoint.
As for SEAT's half-hearted promotion of the Exeo, surely someone from the company reads SCN and could come on to the forum to explain, even anonymously? I could be well wide of the mark on this one, but let me put this up for discussion anyway: will Skoda's mid-size "concept", featured in some of Geneva show reports in this month's motoring mags and slated for release late next year, end up with SEAT badges on it soon afterwards? After all, VW's UP! isn't yet on the streets, but the SEAT Mii is ready to go.
Sure, the Skoda Mission is a hatch for now (the next Leon?), but there's a saloon coming soon, apparently, which will no doubt replace the Octavia and, in stretched form, the Superb.
With all the platform-sharing perpetrated by VAG recently, it looks worryingly like the Mission is a ready-made Exeo replacement to me, which means the residuals of the current model - the one we've all bought - will take an even bigger hit come resale time. Now, we're all realists and accept that Exeos will always depreciate faster than an equivalent VW or Audi - it would be foolish to think otherwise. I don't know about you guys, but I bought mine because it's an excellent car and top value for money, not as an investment. But if the Exeo IS (as I suspect) a stop-gap model, it might go some way to explaining SEAT's rather lukewarm marketing "strategy".
Personally, I don't think VAG really knows what SEAT's future direction should be. My concern is that we're in a potential GM/SAAB repeat scenario here, with SEAT in danger of being be seen as "poor relation" within the group and ultimately dispensable. As a former SAAB owner, back when they had their own unique identity, I'm deeply upset about the marque's imminent demise. Woe betide that SEAT should suffer the same fate. Just offering up an opinion for debate, you understand. And, as a friend of mine once said, "Opinions are like a***holes - everybody's got one".
Interestingly, when I got mine ('09 143 Sport) the dealer also had an SE in the same Urano grey for sale right next to it. But I never even bothered to give it a spin, because I was so impressed with the stance, the interior, seats and the ride/handling of the Sport, even though the SE was cheaper and had fewer miles on it. I also sat in an SE Lux and while the leather was nice, the seats weren't as grippy as those in the Sport. Overall, I don't regret my decision, although I can understand why some may not think the same way.
I've just returned from a 200 mile round trip today to the Classic Car Show at Birmingham NEC (the first decent journey I've done since I got it) and the Exeo was superb - comfortable, quiet and quick, with a really "planted" feel that inspires confidence. It did an indicated 52 mpg overall on the outward leg and 48 on the return (acceptable, since I WAS really getting a move on after my outdated sat/nav sent me on an unwanted detour on the way back). Generally, it's returning 47-54 mpg in day-to-day running without getting too anal about it, which is fine by me after the 30-odd I used to get with a V5 Toledo.
I agree with some of the points raised by Exeowner and others - the gearbox and clutch ARE a bit grouchy when cold and the car DOES seem to take a long time to warm through, which I concur may yet be a problem in winter because I don't have a garage. And - curiously - mine also had a broken sun visor clip on the driver's side, which was fixed before sale. Another minor gripe is a (very) slight vibration through the steering at high speed on some surfaces, which may be down to the 18s but could also be a wheel balance/tracking/tyre issue, and acts as a timely reminder to back off a little and does little to spoil the overall experience. Being REALLY picky, the 12V socket is too near the gear lever and handbrake so, for instance, the sat/nav lead gets in the way - not a problem with the Tech, obviously; the front armrest is annoying around town but really nice on the motorway, and the standard stereo lacks a bit of bass - but that's why the BOSE option is there, I suppose. And I wish the air vents were illuminated at night. But that really is it.
All I can say is that after slogging round the NEC all day, I felt really pampered driving back in the Exeo. That interior is a calm, relaxing place to be, the climate control is excellent and with Steely Dan's back catalogue playing off a memory stick and the cruise control set at....well, let's just say a "brisk" pace, it was a lovely drive. Don't get me wrong, I still miss a lot of things about the Toledo, but certainly not its thirst, and the Exeo rides better, has more room, is (almost) as smooth once it's warmed up and in real world terms is just as quick. In other words, Harvey, it's a proper, grown-up car and whichever model you plump for it shouldn't disappoint.
As for SEAT's half-hearted promotion of the Exeo, surely someone from the company reads SCN and could come on to the forum to explain, even anonymously? I could be well wide of the mark on this one, but let me put this up for discussion anyway: will Skoda's mid-size "concept", featured in some of Geneva show reports in this month's motoring mags and slated for release late next year, end up with SEAT badges on it soon afterwards? After all, VW's UP! isn't yet on the streets, but the SEAT Mii is ready to go.
Sure, the Skoda Mission is a hatch for now (the next Leon?), but there's a saloon coming soon, apparently, which will no doubt replace the Octavia and, in stretched form, the Superb.
With all the platform-sharing perpetrated by VAG recently, it looks worryingly like the Mission is a ready-made Exeo replacement to me, which means the residuals of the current model - the one we've all bought - will take an even bigger hit come resale time. Now, we're all realists and accept that Exeos will always depreciate faster than an equivalent VW or Audi - it would be foolish to think otherwise. I don't know about you guys, but I bought mine because it's an excellent car and top value for money, not as an investment. But if the Exeo IS (as I suspect) a stop-gap model, it might go some way to explaining SEAT's rather lukewarm marketing "strategy".
Personally, I don't think VAG really knows what SEAT's future direction should be. My concern is that we're in a potential GM/SAAB repeat scenario here, with SEAT in danger of being be seen as "poor relation" within the group and ultimately dispensable. As a former SAAB owner, back when they had their own unique identity, I'm deeply upset about the marque's imminent demise. Woe betide that SEAT should suffer the same fate. Just offering up an opinion for debate, you understand. And, as a friend of mine once said, "Opinions are like a***holes - everybody's got one".
Bit late on this - but have also just noticed the SEAT IBL concept from earlier this summer, which looks really good. Wouldn't mind one of those parked outside my house. But I think releasing the funds for new stand-alone models from SEAT is pretty low priority for VAG just now...
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cliveseat - I think you make a very good point about Seat, where does it sit? I am not sure that VAG know the answer to that at the moment. Audi and VW are clearly the big boys in the group but Skoda in the past 5 years or so have stormed past Seat and now seem to get first dabs on new car design. Whether that is a conscious decision or just that Skoda have got their act together and Seat have not is something I don't know but at the moment Seat is in the weakest position in the group (I'm ignoring Suzuki deliberately). They badly need to get the IBL and IBX models out so that they can start impressing their masters in Germany.
The Exeo shows that Seat can make high quality, well screwed together cars, even if the line is lifted from Audi. They just need to get that message out to customers and get the car more visible. Maybe the Exeo is a stop gap whilst they get the funds released for the IBL car and maybe they had to do that to show VAG that they have the capability to make cars for that segment of the market.
I like your story of leaving the NEC and loving your car. A good car gives you that sense of calm and tranquillity after a hectic day and that is a positive sign. The Peugeot 508 advert tapped into that feeling and that was very effective.
I too loved Saab as a brand but by the time I could afford one they were making pale imitations of proper Saabs so I never managed to put one on my driveway. I am still sad about that as I have fond childhood memories of being in Saab 900's and finding them wonderfully solid, cosseting and classy.
The Exeo shows that Seat can make high quality, well screwed together cars, even if the line is lifted from Audi. They just need to get that message out to customers and get the car more visible. Maybe the Exeo is a stop gap whilst they get the funds released for the IBL car and maybe they had to do that to show VAG that they have the capability to make cars for that segment of the market.
I like your story of leaving the NEC and loving your car. A good car gives you that sense of calm and tranquillity after a hectic day and that is a positive sign. The Peugeot 508 advert tapped into that feeling and that was very effective.
I too loved Saab as a brand but by the time I could afford one they were making pale imitations of proper Saabs so I never managed to put one on my driveway. I am still sad about that as I have fond childhood memories of being in Saab 900's and finding them wonderfully solid, cosseting and classy.
Exeo/IBL and Old SAABs
Agree very much, Harvey. Just looked at a few more pics of the IBL and think it's stunning. Hope they put it into production, although as with most concepts the reality will probably end up being vastly watered down. Not too soon, though - it'll make the Exeo seem very dated very quickly!
Still wish someone from SEAT UK would come onto the forum to tell us what the future holds.
As for SAAB, my '86 900 T16 (Classic shape) is fondly remembered. Kept it for 12 years and although I looked after it, it wasn't as reliable as they make out (head gasket/turbo issues), was very thirsty (about 23-25mpg if memory serves, although I once drained the tank in under 90 miles!) and rusted quite badly. It went like the wind, although there was big turbo lag and with no traction control, it meant the torque steer was epic and tyres didn't last very long if you used the performance, which was very addictive. Eventually sold it to my boss (!) for £500 - and he had to scrap it after a year because the welding required around the suspension turrets (a real weak spot) at MoT time eventually made it uneconomic to repair. Probably why he doesn't talk to me much any more.
Still look longingly at the convertibles when I see them at classic shows, although they're not very strong and have huge scuttle shake. Nice summer cruisers, though, and cheap to buy - if not to run!
Haven't seen a single new 9-5 on the road and don't expect to, either. Even rarer than Exeos. Shameful.
Agree very much, Harvey. Just looked at a few more pics of the IBL and think it's stunning. Hope they put it into production, although as with most concepts the reality will probably end up being vastly watered down. Not too soon, though - it'll make the Exeo seem very dated very quickly!
Still wish someone from SEAT UK would come onto the forum to tell us what the future holds.
As for SAAB, my '86 900 T16 (Classic shape) is fondly remembered. Kept it for 12 years and although I looked after it, it wasn't as reliable as they make out (head gasket/turbo issues), was very thirsty (about 23-25mpg if memory serves, although I once drained the tank in under 90 miles!) and rusted quite badly. It went like the wind, although there was big turbo lag and with no traction control, it meant the torque steer was epic and tyres didn't last very long if you used the performance, which was very addictive. Eventually sold it to my boss (!) for £500 - and he had to scrap it after a year because the welding required around the suspension turrets (a real weak spot) at MoT time eventually made it uneconomic to repair. Probably why he doesn't talk to me much any more.
Still look longingly at the convertibles when I see them at classic shows, although they're not very strong and have huge scuttle shake. Nice summer cruisers, though, and cheap to buy - if not to run!
Haven't seen a single new 9-5 on the road and don't expect to, either. Even rarer than Exeos. Shameful.
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