Re-map Q

taxiboy

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Hi

I want to get a re-map for my 1.4tsi cupra....i've looked on this forum and most use revo. Q is where can I get it done and would be to useful to get the exhaust done at the same time?

The primary objective for the exhaust is for a throaty noise & any aid in performance by coupling with the re-map would be great. What do people use for exhaust?

Oh, does re-mapping require a change of spark plugs? And where do I start in terms of getting quotes. I live in essex but also travel up to manchester every month to visit family. THanks.

Tony
 
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The last stage is the remap. I got all my mods done, ran a 14sec 1/4 mile then did the remap to lose 0.6sec from that time.
Make the engine breath better (air filter/exhaust), make it stop better, handle better, make it lighter - this is the same stuff I was doing to my Mini in 1983.
 

taxiboy

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THanks for your prompt reply but I only want a straight forward re-map and exhaust for a bit more fun. So you would suggest I get the exhaust done first and then re-map? How about the air filter, I've been told the air filter as standard is suffice for revo
 
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The more easily air can flow through the engine the more fuel it can use = more power. But don't listen to me, I've only got the fastest Mk5 so what do I know?
 

taxiboy

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ok, why not? Just got married & got a house. SO, what do i need?

-Brand of induction kit
-exhaust type & brand
-Revo

Thanks
 
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Lukeyy

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I have a miltek cat back exhaust on mine which sounds amazing bait pricey though but worth it :) I also have a k and n air filter. Went on the rolling road at AMD Essex last weekend and pulled 180bhp so technically I've gain 2bhp lol. This weekend I'm getting a induction kit and lowering springs to see if I can get any more out of it then I'll be getting a remap. Most people do use revo but take a look at AMD tuning as well there local to you in Essex :)
 

Lukeyy

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Lukeyy you're kinda near me in essex. How much did you pay for your milltek car back? Also, why didn't you get it done at the same time as revo stage 2? There's 2 prices for the exhaust & stage 2 revo:

http://www.amdessex.com/products.variant.cfm?variantid=1313

I have no idea which i need? The £466 or £718.

Can you explain what the downpipe & de-cat is?

I got mine done in harrow by me. The garage is on their website under AMD harrow. I paid 594 for my cat back exhaust including fitting. Never regretted it :)

I'll explain what everything is:

I got a cat back exhaust which can be fitted on the car standard. The two different cat backs are different pipe sizes. The bigger one Is cheaper which I've got. It's slightly louder. The more expensive one sounds just like stock I think.

The turbo back requires a stage 2 remap. That price doesn't include the remap just 1000 ish just for the exhaust! You can't run this stock.

Large bore down pipes is when you have a cat back and want to upgrade to a turbo back to run stage 2 software.

Decat is taking the catalic converter out. Not sure what this does but you will fail a mot not having one I think

Not sure what the spors cat is.

You just need to decide whether to go stage 1 or 2. You ll spend a lot more upgrading from 1 than going straight to 2. Stage 2 requires more components like induction, spark plugs and inter cooler.

If I was you on eBay type in miltek cat back and amd. For 700 ish there is a offer where you get a miltek cat back and AMD stage 1 remap.

I'm not 100% if I'm right but that my take on things. Anything else?
 

Lukeyy

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Yeah sure is :) currently got a k and n air filter. But hopefully by the weekend I'll have my forge induction kit. I'm planning a remap stage 1 I don't think stage 2 is worth it for an extra 15ish bhp. Ill probably go for a revo map as I would like switchable settings on it
 

taxiboy

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perfec Lukeyy, i think i'll do likewise and your points are all valid in terms of cost/gains.....stick with revo 1.

But even without an exhaust & induction kit but with stage 1 revo should produce same output as yours assuming you already have stage 1 revo? As stage 1 revo is designed for stock cupras so you wouldn't beable to exploit the hardware you already got?
 

Lukeyy

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perfec Lukeyy, i think i'll do likewise and your points are all valid in terms of cost/gains.....stick with revo 1.

But even without an exhaust & induction kit but with stage 1 revo should produce same output as yours assuming you already have stage 1 revo? As stage 1 revo is designed for stock cupras so you wouldn't beable to exploit the hardware you already got?

Fair comment. But with better hardware they could (I think) adjust the map to get more power because all maps are tailored to your car. So you could get a few extra horses. If now you got a exhaust that sounds bloody amazing compared to the stock one lol :p
 

taxiboy

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arr...had no idea the re-map is tailored to individual cars...i'll double check when I call up.

Does your cat back pass MOT? When I youtube, there's loads of results for miltek ibiza boc/cupra....are they all the same thing. I.e. does your sound exactly the same as this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoqKgANiAbg
 

Lukeyy

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arr...had no idea the re-map is tailored to individual cars...i'll double check when I call up.

Does your cat back pass MOT? When I youtube, there's loads of results for miltek ibiza boc/cupra....are they all the same thing. I.e. does your sound exactly the same as this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoqKgANiAbg

Yeah corse it does. The decat doesn't. mine doesn't sound like this. You've picked one that has had everything under the sun done to it if it's running 270bhp. Mines quieter. BUT a big but i was told it would be as loud as this after a remap because of higher boost levels increasing the sound.
 

vRSy

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there is some crap advice in this thread.

ibizaracebrake - That has to be the most arrogant post i have ever read on any forum "But don't listen to me, I've only got the fastest Mk5 so what do I know"!!!!!!!!

Fair play, you have a great 1/4 mile time, no disputing that, but how much of it is down to getting the perfect launch and having perfect conditions, because lets be fair your no where near that time since. And then bear in mind, you have a completely stripped interior because you went up the strip with lightweight seats, alloys etc etc. Your time is gained from having a great launch and having a car with much less interior than 90%+ other people would be willing to tolerate, id be keen to see how your performs at completely differentg event such as 30-130mph.
Also the very early 1.4TSI REVO tunes were very aggressive and have been toned down substantially for safety purposes(I was told this from them myself!) when i was close to swapping from ***** to REVO last year.

To backup what im saying somewhat, An example of how much difference a good launch makes: The current 2.0TFSI UK record for th 1/4 mile is is from APRs Golf R with a 12.2 second@110mph. Its purely got that time because of the launch and DSG.
The nearest DSG Ed30 with the same Hp, gets 12.7seconds at 117mph and the general consensus is the ed30 with identical power is quicker than a golf R in everyday life, but on the strip it cant compete or claw back the launch despite having a much higher terminal. On the strip the launch is EVERYTHING.

@ the OP

Which remap to go for.

Ive probably had the most maps of any guy on this engine across the forums. Started with ***** performance stage 2, swapped to a jabbasport stage 2, then went to APR stage 2 before having my hybrid turbo fitted and beta sopftware written for it.

I was so close to going REVO, but bailed last minute because im put off by their aftersales and tuning ethos. i was very close to using them though. Gl;ad i went with APR, their R&D is unbelievable

Every forum has its favourite tuners, this forum for instance has a high quantity of REVO users as a result of them getting to the market the earliest and having the monopoly at first. if you were to go onto briskoda its split between APR and REVO for the 1.4TSI engines, but theres also a fair few guys who haveor are about to swap their REVO for APR after having issues.

The remap itself costs neigh on the same, although REVO is more expensive in the long term as APR include free upgrades to higher stages of tune, plus APR switchability is in with the remap price, whereas REVOs is ontop. I wouldnt write off jabbasport though, they did a phenomenal map on mine, well worth the money, and i only went APR for the hybrid software.

Which is better, we will be able to say in a couple days as theres someone in swapping theirs from REVO stage 2 to APR stage 2 as we speak.

Is it wise to do a remap and an exhaust at the same time?

That depends on which part of the exhaust you are talking about. i completely skipped stage 1 and went direct to stage 2 with a decat downpipe(coincidently it made more than Jasons stage 2 REVO +miltek TBE cupra on the same rolling road day)

If you talking about just getting the cat back and stage 1 then that's fine, but don't expect any extra performance gains for the extra expenditure, its only a noise modification.

If your talking about getting a downpipe with sports cat and a remap, then you should go straight to stage 2 and make the most of the extra performance the less restrictive cat can release.

if your talking of getting the full TBE then yeah go straight stage 2 just as above and you have the best of both worlds, extras power and noise! bear in mind, that contrary to popular belief a full TBE is not required for stage 2, its just a downpipe and sports cat or decat. Anything else is just a bonus.

Supporting mods.

Ibizaracebreak is correct about supporting mods, although going as lightweight as he has with his cupra is on the extreme side of what id imagine you are after.

I did mine the opposite to him and went power first, but that was purely down to the parts i wanted not being available at the right time. I do think chassis and brake work need to be done first.

For instance my car is properly fast once its rolling, Poverty will vouch for that, as i think it surprised him when we were driving to the pod, but i have huge issues with traction because it was on stock 205 wide Continental sport contact 2 tyres, and stock suspension, interior etc, yet even with a 60ft time of 2.8seconds (0.8 slower than ibizaracebreak managed) i still managed a 14.00 1/4 mile. Power is useless without control.

All my supporting mods are being fitted now, so i should soon have a tractable car, but we'll see about that time, id like to beat it, but that launch will take something special to match, although i will be trying lol.

I'd do your research on the remaps across a variety of forums first, rather than just on here as you will only have a blinkered view. Try Briskoda and VAGOC as well for alternate opinions.

Which exhaust to buy is another sticky issue. An example is Miltek. Just like REVO they always get to the market first, thus take the majority of guys on the forums, meaning thats the exhaust people recommend when the question is posed. On all the forums after the cars have been out a fair few years, the answers then change from Miltek as much better options rear their head.

Where are you located in the UK?
 
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I tested the jabba map For their stage 1 map. I think its great, really nice and smooth smashes many bigger cars. Managed a 5.7 to 60 on a wetish track and a 14.1 overall on the quarter.could if changed sooner each change rather than redline. Done 5.6 on dry day. Check out my vids on YouTube. Click the link below for it :) duzza has hadmy mmap put on his car also and has said hes enjoying it.
Jay
 
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Nutkin

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I tested the jabba map For their stage 1 map. I think its great, really nice and smooth smashes many bigger cars. Managed a 5.7 to 60 on a wetish track and a 14.1 overall on the quarter.could if changed sooner each change rather than redline. Done 5.6 on dry day. Check out my vids on YouTube. Click the link below for it :) duzza has hadmy mmap put on his car also and has said hes enjoying it.
Jay

Who made the jabba map? and how much does it cost do ya know?
 

taxiboy

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Lukeyy

Do you have youtube links to your exhaust, a good point that once remap (running on more boost) will sound diff

vRSy

I think you’ve made it quite clear, my options are

Remap stage 1 £400ish (approx 220bhp)
Remap stage 1 plus cat back £400+£500=£900ish (approx 220bhp)
Remap stage 2 plus downpipe & sports cat £720+0£450 = £1,170 (approx 240bhp)

I’m in essex (south ockendon)

Correct?

Thanks for all your input.

oh, one more, if you install a cat-back does that mean you won't be able to hear the forge bov? If so, waste of money installing it in the first place.