Re-map Q

vRSy

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Lukeyy

Do you have youtube links to your exhaust, a good point that once remap (running on more boost) will sound diff

vRSy

I think you’ve made it quite clear, my options are

Remap stage 1 £400ish (approx 220bhp)
Remap stage 1 plus cat back £400+£500=£900ish (approx 220bhp)
Remap stage 2 plus downpipe & sports cat £720+0£450 = £1,170 (approx 240bhp)

I’m in essex (south ockendon)

Correct?

Thanks for all your input.

oh, one more, if you install a cat-back does that mean you won't be able to hear the forge bov? If so, waste of money installing it in the first place.

They are some really really generous figures there. You'll only get figures like that if you go somewhere like AMD to use their rolling road. Most other places you can subtract at least 10hp!!

to put it all into a scale all on the same rolling road for consistency(JKM performance)
-Morks car stock made 178hp, then straight after stage 1 REVO made 200hp
-My car stock made 178hp, then with Stage 2 ***** Performance with downpipe made 213hp
-Jasons car with Stage 2 REVO and miltek TBE made 208hp
-Hurdys car with REVO stage 2, LOBA Turbo, ITG intake, Water Meth Injection, Pace Intercooler/radiator made 230hp

so realistically

-Stage 1 200-210hp realistic (215-225hp @ AMD:whistle:)
-Stage 2 with downpipe realistic 210-220hp(225Hp-235hp @ AMD:whistle:)
-Stage 2 with intake, TBE and intercooler realistically no more than 230hp at the absolute top end of the scale, unless of course, your at AMDtechniks rolling road.:cartman:

I know a fair few guys now who have gone to other rolling road days with their great AMD rolling road figures and came away thinking they had faults after making much less horsepower, when in reality there was nothing wrong with their car at all, its just what these cars make.
 
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lucifer666

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there is some crap advice in this thread.

ibizaracebrake - That has to be the most arrogant post i have ever read on any forum "But don't listen to me, I've only got the fastest Mk5 so what do I know"!!!!!!!!

Fair play, you have a great 1/4 mile time, no disputing that, but how much of it is down to getting the perfect launch and having perfect conditions, because lets be fair your no where near that time since. And then bear in mind, you have a completely stripped interior because you went up the strip with lightweight seats, alloys etc etc. Your time is gained from having a great launch and having a car with much less interior than 90%+ other people would be willing to tolerate, id be keen to see how your performs at completely differentg event such as 30-130mph.
Also the very early 1.4TSI REVO tunes were very aggressive and have been toned down substantially for safety purposes(I was told this from them myself!) when i was close to swapping from ***** to REVO last year.

To backup what im saying somewhat, An example of how much difference a good launch makes: The current 2.0TFSI UK record for th 1/4 mile is is from APRs Golf R with a 12.2 second@110mph. Its purely got that time because of the launch and DSG.
The nearest DSG Ed30 with the same Hp, gets 12.7seconds at 117mph and the general consensus is the ed30 with identical power is quicker than a golf R in everyday life, but on the strip it cant compete or claw back the launch despite having a much higher terminal. On the strip the launch is EVERYTHING.

@ the OP

Which remap to go for.

Ive probably had the most maps of any guy on this engine across the forums. Started with ***** performance stage 2, swapped to a jabbasport stage 2, then went to APR stage 2 before having my hybrid turbo fitted and beta sopftware written for it.

I was so close to going REVO, but bailed last minute because im put off by their aftersales and tuning ethos. i was very close to using them though. Gl;ad i went with APR, their R&D is unbelievable

Every forum has its favourite tuners, this forum for instance has a high quantity of REVO users as a result of them getting to the market the earliest and having the monopoly at first. if you were to go onto briskoda its split between APR and REVO for the 1.4TSI engines, but theres also a fair few guys who haveor are about to swap their REVO for APR after having issues.

The remap itself costs neigh on the same, although REVO is more expensive in the long term as APR include free upgrades to higher stages of tune, plus APR switchability is in with the remap price, whereas REVOs is ontop. I wouldnt write off jabbasport though, they did a phenomenal map on mine, well worth the money, and i only went APR for the hybrid software.

Which is better, we will be able to say in a couple days as theres someone in swapping theirs from REVO stage 2 to APR stage 2 as we speak.

Is it wise to do a remap and an exhaust at the same time?

That depends on which part of the exhaust you are talking about. i completely skipped stage 1 and went direct to stage 2 with a decat downpipe(coincidently it made more than Jasons stage 2 REVO +miltek TBE cupra on the same rolling road day)

If you talking about just getting the cat back and stage 1 then that's fine, but don't expect any extra performance gains for the extra expenditure, its only a noise modification.

If your talking about getting a downpipe with sports cat and a remap, then you should go straight to stage 2 and make the most of the extra performance the less restrictive cat can release.

if your talking of getting the full TBE then yeah go straight stage 2 just as above and you have the best of both worlds, extras power and noise! bear in mind, that contrary to popular belief a full TBE is not required for stage 2, its just a downpipe and sports cat or decat. Anything else is just a bonus.

Supporting mods.

Ibizaracebreak is correct about supporting mods, although going as lightweight as he has with his cupra is on the extreme side of what id imagine you are after.

I did mine the opposite to him and went power first, but that was purely down to the parts i wanted not being available at the right time. I do think chassis and brake work need to be done first.

For instance my car is properly fast once its rolling, Poverty will vouch for that, as i think it surprised him when we were driving to the pod, but i have huge issues with traction because it was on stock 205 wide Continental sport contact 2 tyres, and stock suspension, interior etc, yet even with a 60ft time of 2.8seconds (0.8 slower than ibizaracebreak managed) i still managed a 14.00 1/4 mile. Power is useless without control.

All my supporting mods are being fitted now, so i should soon have a tractable car, but we'll see about that time, id like to beat it, but that launch will take something special to match, although i will be trying lol.

I'd do your research on the remaps across a variety of forums first, rather than just on here as you will only have a blinkered view. Try Briskoda and VAGOC as well for alternate opinions.

Which exhaust to buy is another sticky issue. An example is Miltek. Just like REVO they always get to the market first, thus take the majority of guys on the forums, meaning thats the exhaust people recommend when the question is posed. On all the forums after the cars have been out a fair few years, the answers then change from Miltek as much better options rear their head.

Where are you located in the UK?

Was just about to make a comment until i read this. +1

Revo map has 100% been turned down. Cant beat my 13.7 stage 1 1/4 mile time with the edition of semi-slicks, lightweight wheels, indution kit, intercooler, decat 3" downpipe and stage 2 map.

Btw as an advocate of revo early on, and even with having problems with the map i still stuck by them(apparently fault being vw code), they have gone down in my estimation now they have a receptionist that reads off a screen the same speel every time you phone customer servives so you cant actually speak to a technician. Also their stage 2 map didnt work properly on my decat downpipe bringing up the check engine light (high emmissions) when one of the main functions of a stage 2 map is to stop that happening. Finally, they wont go past stage 2 now as they have had enough of the engine. A dsg map was due out but they keep changing the goal posts on that too. Last time i spoke to them it was by the end of this year. Apparently its way into next year.

If I was you, I would go for APR as they are working on the hybrid turbo map as vrsy said. So theres plenty of scope for you to keep tuning the car up further if you decide too.

Exhaust wise, I would go for a custom downpipe section only if costs are an issue. Mine was £270 which was 3"decat downpipe. They'll pretty much do what you want too so you can have a sports cat fitted instead to keep it mot passable. Or get them to make it bolt on bolt off so you can undo a few bolts yourself and get it swapped over before mot.
 

taxiboy

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really...AMD have inaccurate rolling roads?.....20bhp gain instead of 40bhp seems much less exciting now:(:(:(

What is a hybrid turbo map?
 

lucifer666

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Its a turbo of same size and dimentions manufacured by loba. Its been designed to push the limits of that kind of turbo to just under 300bhp, Costs alot to buy. Vrsy has one and is working with APR who are still in the process of finishing the map for it. Hes running 250bhp on a very watered down map with that turbo.
 

vRSy

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A couple of us have LOBA hybrid turbos on our cars. APR are developing a stage 3 hybrid turbo map for my car to optimise it.

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beaten to it lol
 
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Also its a 20bhp gain at Max power. The gains across the rest of the revrange are What really push you along!
 

vRSy

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Any news on this btw?

Not as yet. I know they have bypassed the DSG interventions now, so theat should allow me to have the throttle open at 100% when i request it instea dof the DSG ECU closong the throttle off!!

Ive also got a set of OKADA Coil packs to stop the high boost misfire so with any luck we should be sorted soon
 

vRSy

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Any news on this btw?

Not as yet. I know they have bypassed the DSG interventions now, so theat should allow me to have the throttle open at 100% when i request it instea dof the DSG ECU closong the throttle off!!

Ive also got a set of OKADA Coil packs to stop the high boost misfire so with any luck we should be sorted soon.

The AST coilovers and VWR big brake kit should be sorted by first week of september
 
Jul 11, 2009
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there is some crap advice in this thread.

ibizaracebrake - That has to be the most arrogant post i have ever read on any forum "But don't listen to me, I've only got the fastest Mk5 so what do I know"!!!!!!!!

Fair play, you have a great 1/4 mile time, no disputing that, but how much of it is down to getting the perfect launch and having perfect conditions, because lets be fair your no where near that time since. And then bear in mind, you have a completely stripped interior because you went up the strip with lightweight seats, alloys etc etc. Your time is gained from having a great launch and having a car with much less interior than 90%+ other people would be willing to tolerate, id be keen to see how your performs at completely differentg event such as 30-130mph.
Also the very early 1.4TSI REVO tunes were very aggressive and have been toned down substantially for safety purposes(I was told this from them myself!) when i was close to swapping from ***** to REVO last year.

To backup what im saying somewhat, An example of how much difference a good launch makes: The current 2.0TFSI UK record for th 1/4 mile is is from APRs Golf R with a 12.2 second@110mph. Its purely got that time because of the launch and DSG.
The nearest DSG Ed30 with the same Hp, gets 12.7seconds at 117mph and the general consensus is the ed30 with identical power is quicker than a golf R in everyday life, but on the strip it cant compete or claw back the launch despite having a much higher terminal. On the strip the launch is EVERYTHING.

@ the OP

Which remap to go for.

Ive probably had the most maps of any guy on this engine across the forums. Started with ***** performance stage 2, swapped to a jabbasport stage 2, then went to APR stage 2 before having my hybrid turbo fitted and beta sopftware written for it.

I was so close to going REVO, but bailed last minute because im put off by their aftersales and tuning ethos. i was very close to using them though. Gl;ad i went with APR, their R&D is unbelievable

Every forum has its favourite tuners, this forum for instance has a high quantity of REVO users as a result of them getting to the market the earliest and having the monopoly at first. if you were to go onto briskoda its split between APR and REVO for the 1.4TSI engines, but theres also a fair few guys who haveor are about to swap their REVO for APR after having issues.

The remap itself costs neigh on the same, although REVO is more expensive in the long term as APR include free upgrades to higher stages of tune, plus APR switchability is in with the remap price, whereas REVOs is ontop. I wouldnt write off jabbasport though, they did a phenomenal map on mine, well worth the money, and i only went APR for the hybrid software.

Which is better, we will be able to say in a couple days as theres someone in swapping theirs from REVO stage 2 to APR stage 2 as we speak.

Is it wise to do a remap and an exhaust at the same time?

That depends on which part of the exhaust you are talking about. i completely skipped stage 1 and went direct to stage 2 with a decat downpipe(coincidently it made more than Jasons stage 2 REVO +miltek TBE cupra on the same rolling road day)

If you talking about just getting the cat back and stage 1 then that's fine, but don't expect any extra performance gains for the extra expenditure, its only a noise modification.

If your talking about getting a downpipe with sports cat and a remap, then you should go straight to stage 2 and make the most of the extra performance the less restrictive cat can release.

if your talking of getting the full TBE then yeah go straight stage 2 just as above and you have the best of both worlds, extras power and noise! bear in mind, that contrary to popular belief a full TBE is not required for stage 2, its just a downpipe and sports cat or decat. Anything else is just a bonus.

Supporting mods.

Ibizaracebreak is correct about supporting mods, although going as lightweight as he has with his cupra is on the extreme side of what id imagine you are after.

I did mine the opposite to him and went power first, but that was purely down to the parts i wanted not being available at the right time. I do think chassis and brake work need to be done first.

For instance my car is properly fast once its rolling, Poverty will vouch for that, as i think it surprised him when we were driving to the pod, but i have huge issues with traction because it was on stock 205 wide Continental sport contact 2 tyres, and stock suspension, interior etc, yet even with a 60ft time of 2.8seconds (0.8 slower than ibizaracebreak managed) i still managed a 14.00 1/4 mile. Power is useless without control.

All my supporting mods are being fitted now, so i should soon have a tractable car, but we'll see about that time, id like to beat it, but that launch will take something special to match, although i will be trying lol.

I'd do your research on the remaps across a variety of forums first, rather than just on here as you will only have a blinkered view. Try Briskoda and VAGOC as well for alternate opinions.

Which exhaust to buy is another sticky issue. An example is Miltek. Just like REVO they always get to the market first, thus take the majority of guys on the forums, meaning thats the exhaust people recommend when the question is posed. On all the forums after the cars have been out a fair few years, the answers then change from Miltek as much better options rear their head.

Where are you located in the UK?

My comment was partly 'tongue in cheek', but some of the advise dispensed here is a touch theoretical, my comment is based on actual results I can prove. My car is driven to work every day and it takes me on holiday with a full boot, I don't think of it as highly modified, some lowered 'show specials' with 18" wheels appear undriveable to me. My custom exhaust was £400 in 2009 and my DIY high flow air filter was £100 all in. No one could say they don't work. You don't have to spend top money to get results. PS - new REVO map with all latest factory updates is out now I think, AMD will hopefully update my map next week (Thanks to Simon Howarth).
 

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Very nice this thread!

I have a question about air filters. Reading most of them, I see you change air filters with a custom air intake. But is it so useful? Can a simple air filter in the stock airbox be enough? At the moment I own a stock 1.4TSI FR but in the future I will want to remap, probably a simple stage 1.
 

Nutkin

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Very nice this thread!

I have a question about air filters. Reading most of them, I see you change air filters with a custom air intake. But is it so useful? Can a simple air filter in the stock airbox be enough? At the moment I own a stock 1.4TSI FR but in the future I will want to remap, probably a simple stage 1.

yes the stock air filter is fine for stage one. too many people chuck in induction kits for hundreds of pounds for a stage one when it doesn't really help that much.
 
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Very nice this thread!

I have a question about air filters. Reading most of them, I see you change air filters with a custom air intake. But is it so useful? Can a simple air filter in the stock airbox be enough? At the moment I own a stock 1.4TSI FR but in the future I will want to remap, probably a simple stage 1.
The stock air box is restrictive because it is designed to avoid water ingress, due to the factory paper filter - this is not a problem with a cotton filter so the route air takes to the box can be flowed by removing sections of plastic. My modified air box houses a Green cotton filter which is said to flow enough air for an engine twice the output of mine, while leaving more space around it in the box than the factory filter. My video of it has been on Youtube for years.
 

Nutkin

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The stock air box is restrictive because it is designed to avoid water ingress, due to the factory paper filter - this is not a problem with a cotton filter so the route air takes to the box can be flowed by removing sections of plastic. My modified air box houses a Green cotton filter which is said to flow enough air for an engine twice the output of mine, while leaving more space around it in the box than the factory filter. My video of it has been on Youtube for years.

i honestly don't believe that the paper filters are restrictive as long as you replace them as often as you should clean a cotton one.

If you can run an RS4 on a paper filter not much bigger then i don't see why our little ibizas should suffer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCi2yo4UqPI

I refer to this.

They found barely any extra bhp just noise.
 
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Changing filter without flowing airbox may not increase power. paper filters are fitted to factory cars because they are cheap and so dealer has to change it every year and bill you, no other reason. F1 cars do not run with paper filters. AGAIN, I have proved the mods to my car work, don't listen to anyone who can't prove what they say is correct. PS spent the last 2 weeks parking cars at Gatwick, heres a few we have had in, Scirocco TSi DSG, Golf R32, Golf GTi, Porsche Turbo, Nissan GTR + loads of R Rovers, Mercs, BMW M3, Hybrid Lexus, etc some with only a few hundred miles on the clock. Haven't driven so many cars since I was in the trade 20 years ago. :)
 

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If you're after REVO software and a Milltek i know Prosport in Stockport offer both these services
 

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Changing filter without flowing airbox may not increase power. paper filters are fitted to factory cars because they are cheap and so dealer has to change it every year and bill you, no other reason. F1 cars do not run with paper filters. AGAIN, I have proved the mods to my car work, don't listen to anyone who can't prove what they say is correct. PS spent the last 2 weeks parking cars at Gatwick, heres a few we have had in, Scirocco TSi DSG, Golf R32, Golf GTi, Porsche Turbo, Nissan GTR + loads of R Rovers, Mercs, BMW M3, Hybrid Lexus, etc some with only a few hundred miles on the clock. Haven't driven so many cars since I was in the trade 20 years ago. :)


Could we possibly have a picture of your modified air intake ?
 

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Theres a picture of my girl friends boc after i fitted this BMC its still just as quite as a standerd box but really flows well cost her £60 including ducting pipe off of a friend.
 
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