Remap time, But which one??

[minimat]

Well ive been the proud owner of a 05 leon fr tdi for a few days now and im already looking at more power options. Having come from various turbod petrol cars (mx5 turbo and a 200sx) the leon feels quite tame which i knew it would. Now bear in mind i know nothing about tuning diesel cars so be patient with me lol.

I still have the mx5 turbo as my toy so dont need to go daft with power as it has to be my everyday car and was thinking perhaps 180-190bhp but still retain good fuel economy. (famous last words i know)

The questions i have are:
. will the standard clutch handle the increase in power? ive done a search and some say yay some so nay so which is it lol? I know it will depend on wear etc. but a idea would be good
. If the clutch isnt up to the job how much am i looking at for one that will be (just the clutch as fitting isnt a problem)

BUT the big question is which remap and by who??? All this talk of stage 1, 2,3 generic and custom see im confused already lol.

The way i see it is stage 1 is just the map with 2 and 3 being with exhausts, filters and front mounts and big turbos? Generic is just a map for that car and custom is well custom??(specific to my car? if im wrong just say lol)

Oh yeah im in sheffield as well so i dont really want to be travelling to the other end of the country although i beleive there are a few places fairly local to me?

Thanks in advance

mat

 

[volvic]

Hi minimat,

Im pretty much in the same boat.

I'll be going to Jabba on the 10th for a stage 1 remap. I already have a de-cat down pipe.

Clutch wise from reading threads, if you take it easy before 2k in higher gears it may be ok. I'll be asking Jabba to peg the torque at 295 lbs ft as the standard clutch is only rated to 300lbs ft.

the PD150's already have a frount mount intercooler good to 250+ bhp so thats one less thing to worry about!

 

[minimat]

thanks for that. If you dont mind me asking how much is the remap costing? is it just a map for a leon fr or is it specific one for your exact car with rolling road time etc.?

mat

 

[volvic]

It's costing just over £250... £253 or somthing odd. This is a generic stage 1 map just uploaded to the car. (tried and tested generic map)
Rolling road is not needed as it is not a custom map, however a rolling road result can be obtained at a cost.

this price was the December promo cost. As i booked during December they have held the cost for fitting when i was available.

 

[minimat]

were are they based mate as that seems a very good price. Il be interested in the outcome

mat

 

[volvic]

they are in Peterborough, im in london but shouldnt take too long in the early hours

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

Where abouts are you?

Check out our forum section if you like, stage 1 remap is £265.00 all in for members with free dyno runs

 

[volvic]

Where abouts are you?

Check out our forum section if you like, stage 1 remap is £265.00 all in for members with free dyno runs

just to add, i was going to go with P-torque, however they be many many silly miles away from me

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

just to add, i was going to go with P-torque, however they be many many silly miles away from me

Never mind! Check out the other forum sponsors, plenty of good ones

 

[Damoegan]

just to add, i was going to go with P-torque, however they be many many silly miles away from me

How far away is miles away?

I traveledabout 9 hours round trip to see Will @ P-Torque, well worth it mate

 

[T. Spark]

Hello

Welcome to the forum, local member I see, plenty of guys with TDi's around here some more modded than others

There are a few local tuning companies, closer than Jabba/P-Torque and have good feedback also.

Down in chesterfield is Custom-Code HQ, I had a Phase 1 remap done by them on my TDi 4 years ago, and I was very happy with the performance increase, plenty of torque, plenty of power, very smooth and to my knowledge made my Ibiza TDi the fastest stage 1 mapped TDi in the country, which it still retains that title today with a simple phase 1 @ 170bhp with a standing 1/4 of 14.73.

I had no problems with clutch slip in the 50,000 odd thosands miles I did with the car, and around 42,000 with the map on.

I believe the cost for your car would be around £320 atm for a C-C Stage 1 map.

However, this being said, I know am running a custom map done by another forum sponser called RS Tuning, they are based just up the M1 towards Leeds, depending were in sheffield you are, it isnt far really at all. From the top side of Grenoside id say around 30 minutes?

They do custom mapping, even on what would be standard cars (you dont need a exhaust etc etc)

What alot of people dont remember is that EVERY engine is different, and that as much as Phase 1 will unlock power, torque that is ready and waiting, id honestly never get a Phase 1 for any car again, id always go custom now, even on a standard car (which could be a little 1.4TDi soon )

The cost includes dyno runs, normally lots of them! As its all mapped on the dyno, then taken out for a drive to check all is well on the road aswell. I got offered a free remap from them years ago as they were developing software for VAG engine cars, however as id already got a map, and a friend didnt I got a friend to take his Fabia vRS up there, and the map he now has, and has had for awhile, is great. I belive it made 186bhp or so, and it was quick. If it wasnt for the weight difference at the time, it would have been quicker than mine.

As for the price, youd need to confirm with RS Tuning as its a custom map, however id rather pay a few extra quid and have something suited to something that costs £1,000's!

As you have found out the clutch question cant be answered with a yes or a no im afriad, depends on how the car has been driven pre-map, what the map is like, and what you drive like also! You can ask places like RS that do custom maps, to lower the torque rating, as to help with saving the clutch, but even then it could still start slipping.

Either or, good luck and welcome to the forum, get some pics up of the Leon, and your MX5 turbo. Feel free to pop along to local meets aswell, we generally are a hopeful bunch, and minus Mat (you will soon learn who he is!) we are normal

 

[minimat]

thanks afor all the replies. ike its been said im in sheffield (near crystal peaks) so liked the idea of custom code as like its been said there at chesterfield but then after more reading ive read a lot of good stuff about rs tuning and leeds isnt exactly far away

Im still to decide who il go with as its all going to depend on price and what the can do, though please feal free to keep the suggestions coming

mat

 

[glynnd]

Stick with RS Tuning OR Jabba.
I had mine done at Jabba, great service, Michael spent all day doing mine (have a hybrid fitted so takes longer) he told me he puts right a lot of what custom code do wrong.
Glynn

 

[T. Spark]

thanks afor all the replies. ike its been said im in sheffield (near crystal peaks) so liked the idea of custom code as like its been said there at chesterfield but then after more reading ive read a lot of good stuff about rs tuning and leeds isnt exactly far away

Im still to decide who il go with as its all going to depend on price and what the can do, though please feal free to keep the suggestions coming

mat

No problems matey, as uve said Leeds is a mere blip away in a TDi, so would be rude not to

Awesome GTI is just over the hills aswell past Manchester, they would be able to do the clutch and map it, however I have never had a map from them myself, but rate them very well for their clutch fitting ability (mines still going with near on 400lb.ft!)

Stick with RS Tuning OR Jabba.
I had mine done at Jabba, great service, Michael spent all day doing mine (have a hybrid fitted so takes longer) he told me he puts right a lot of what custom code do wrong.
Glynn

Funny that, as if you ask JBS (C-C) im sure they would say the same thing about Jabba. Your never going to tell anyone that a rival tuning company is good/better/ok really are you?

 

[minimat]

yeah i kinda figured it was going to be case of suck it and see as so many people seem to have there own opinion and favourite which is to be expected i suppose. Il drop rs tuning a pm and see what they have to say about price etc. then take it from there

Just to confirm youd go for a custom map rather than a generic one purely bercause of differences between vehicles the exact spec which there currently running. Was thinking of going for a green cotton filter at the same time so this could be the way to go

thanks again
mat

 

[T. Spark]

yeah i kinda figured it was going to be case of suck it and see as so many people seem to have there own opinion and favourite which is to be expected i suppose. Il drop rs tuning a pm and see what they have to say about price etc. then take it from there

Just to confirm youd go for a custom map rather than a generic one purely bercause of differences between vehicles the exact spec which there currently running. Was thinking of going for a green cotton filter at the same time so this could be the way to go

thanks again
mat

Yes mate, many people preach of things they have no experience over and have just read, but for me personally now, always go custom, even if I was to do it on a standard car. As every engine will be different, and id always want to get the best, safetly out of it tbh.

A example is C-C P1 on a PD150 simply cost wise would be around £320

Now a custom map from the likes of RS Tuning might be £400, however first off its a map for 'that' car, then when you take into a fact you will also get a premap RR run, and a RR run after, with print out, now on a RR day its £30 a go, so thats £60 just there, and it becomes more and more worth the custom map.

A friend of mine recently got a custom map for his PD105 Caddy Van (works van) made 155bhp & 260ishlb.ft from memory, now my god thats a fast van, no smoke out of the back, and honestly mated with the 5 speed box, its rapid, reminds me very much of my Ibiza when it was running 170bhp with C-C.

Could always ask RS about a clutch too

 

[Fergal84]

Yes mate, many people preach of things they have no experience over and have just read, but for me personally now, always go custom, even if I was to do it on a standard car. As every engine will be different, and id always want to get the best, safetly out of it tbh.

A example is C-C P1 on a PD150 simply cost wise would be around £320

Now a custom map from the likes of RS Tuning might be £400, however first off its a map for 'that' car, then when you take into a fact you will also get a premap RR run, and a RR run after, with print out, now on a RR day its £30 a go, so thats £60 just there, and it becomes more and more worth the custom map.

A friend of mine recently got a custom map for his PD105 Caddy Van (works van) made 155bhp & 260ishlb.ft from memory, now my god thats a fast van, no smoke out of the back, and honestly mated with the 5 speed box, its rapid, reminds me very much of my Ibiza when it was running 170bhp with C-C.

Could always ask RS about a clutch too

Your making me tempted putting it like that, especially with RS being just down the road, might have to give them a ring. Its not good having a new credit card

 

[minimat]

yeah mate ive been in touch with rs tuning and for a custom map with before and after rolling road runs its £345 plus vat which dosent sound too bad and like you say its specific to "that" car so i no its as it should be.

The only thing that concerns me is the cost of a uprated clutch should it slip (which in all honestly i think it will), as i really cant see the point in paying for the extra power then "pegging" the torque like some people do?? Fitting it isnt a problem as my dads a mechanic and im pretty handy but if rs could fit a clutch for he right price then i may well be swayed

mat

 

[volvic]

my opinion:

when i first joined up and searched the forums about remaps i said to myself i would save up and splash out big on a custom remap and uprated clutch. as i need a belt change too this would result in £1400ish. at first it didnt seem like a lot of money, but now i have the money to spare its a hell of a lot to spend on a car.
roughly speaking a stage 1 will be 180-195 bhp and 280-300 lbs ft. a custom will see roughly 210-250 bhp and 350 lbs ft or there abouts depending on the mapper.

to make a custom map worth while you might aswell go down the hybrid turbo route which would be anything between £475 to £700 (guess)

fudge it, i've got all worked up now... i hate SCN!!!
if only they would accept monopoly money

btw what 200sx did you have? i've always wanted a s13(sr20det)/s14a

 

[minimat]

had a s14 with 300bhp at the back tyres!!! It was mental but drank super unleaded like you wouldnt believe. 9MPG!!!!! not cool. My mx5 turbo is on its way to 200bhp which although doesnt sound like much in a car that weighs the same as a shoe and rwd its fun!

Still undecided might just get the map done and see if the clutch melts, if it does then i know it needs replacing

mat