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Whole massive can of worms that one
. And they are not - it boils down to opinion, much like the old Ford vs Vauxhall arguments on the VXR and ST/RS forums. You should base your choice on (and not necessarily in this order);
1) Location
2) Price
3) Customer Service
4) Product Functionality
5) Feedback and opinion
6) Any special deals on at the time.
All the maps have their own merits and all make the car go faster. APR code has the ability to swap maps quickly, just as GIAC does. Superchips/Bluefin allows the option to remove the code completely from the car. REVO gives you a box which allows you to finely tune/hone the settings on the car for optimal performance as well as preset map and stock settings. Other companies offer maps at much lower prices.
In all honesty, it is best to ignore "headline" bhp and ft-lb figures too. A car with one code on it is never going to be that far different to another car with another code on it. To give an example of a standard Cupra with 2 large people vs a 310bhp Cupra with GIAC code, check this clip out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC04zdIywbI
Not a huge difference, and it will also depend on how the cars are driven. Same two cars, same day....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0Zw-pW26E&feature=relmfu
No matter what map you pick (as long as you stick with big well known names and listen to those who have/had that code and other recommendations), you will be happy.
My experience code wise is a little bit varied although I have used and have been most happy with Revo code and would recommend it. If you decide to go for a map, be aware that you may run in to issues with your recirc valve bursting (its located under the car rather than remotely like on a K04 Cupra). It would also definitely be worth checking the cam follower on the fuel pump as a precaution.
Cheers,
Al
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We spoke about this at the weekend Irfan. I don't agree especially given their representation in Scotland.
And to the OP - take Poverty's anti-revo feelings with a large pinch of salt. They seem to pop up on here a lot more often than not
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Yes I remember
APR have come to the UK in force to sort the customer service issues out, given where vdawg is I will maintain that in my mind APR is his best bet
I have heard from several people about Revo blaming the car for faults and in my mind that is not good customer service, if it was just one person I can understand but its not.
Poverty
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To the original poster, go ask on mk5gti.co.uk about Revo after sales support or should we say the lack off.
Some people seem to be alright with the fact that Revo code gives them a massive flat spot, chews through spark plugs and is more liable to high rpm misfires.
Al, what has the quality of code got to do with Scottish dealer representation?
Some people seem to be alright with the fact that Revo code gives them a massive flat spot, chews through spark plugs and is more liable to high rpm misfires.
Al, what has the quality of code got to do with Scottish dealer representation?
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I hope they do sort out their representation issues Irfan, for the benefit of us all.
For what its worth, I know first hand that product development is forever on going in every tuning company, including Revo - none are perfect. I am pretty sure that for every supposed reported case of Revo blaming the car there will be another person who was abandoned when APR left the UK for several years just recently. I hope for those who are pushing APR like mad now that they actually stay here this time.
Remember that the early APR maps in the UK were reported to be weak etc etc. I bet very few, if any of those original APR maps still exist on the cars they were installed on. Same difference ultimately.
For what its worth, I know first hand that product development is forever on going in every tuning company, including Revo - none are perfect. I am pretty sure that for every supposed reported case of Revo blaming the car there will be another person who was abandoned when APR left the UK for several years just recently. I hope for those who are pushing APR like mad now that they actually stay here this time.
Remember that the early APR maps in the UK were reported to be weak etc etc. I bet very few, if any of those original APR maps still exist on the cars they were installed on. Same difference ultimately.
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I really think you need to check facts before you start saying things Al
APR never left the UK, its just Awesome dropped them for around 6 months
APR have set up a UK HQ to make sure this doesn't happen again, I have had a few people have maps with them and any question has always been answered fully, they have even helped people who have had hardware problems even thou its nothing to do with software
APR maps being weak is another story, in the beginning yes they made less power than REVO but this was they wanted to maintain reliability and safety, since then they have developed code to put them on par with Revo performance but still maintain that
Facts are that until recently, they were not in the country for a long time (at least not the country I am in) and representation was very weak in England too.
I am glad APR have set up an HQ in the UK and look forward to them spreading through the UK. As I have said numerous times before, competition and choice for us (the consumer) is a really good thing.
As far as code itself is concerned, ultimately the driver will determine more of performance than the code on the car especially if you are talking stage 1 vs stage 1. A lad on here claims 420bhp on his Cupra K1 yet cant beat times and terminal speeds on the 1/4 mile done by a Cupra with 60 bhp less using the same code and with near identical modifications. Its really the choice between Strawberry Raspberry Cranberry or Blackberry at the end of the day.
My choice is raspberry based on location, adjustability, performance, linearity and support. These might not be the same reasons someone else has and that is fine
I am glad APR have set up an HQ in the UK and look forward to them spreading through the UK. As I have said numerous times before, competition and choice for us (the consumer) is a really good thing.
As far as code itself is concerned, ultimately the driver will determine more of performance than the code on the car especially if you are talking stage 1 vs stage 1. A lad on here claims 420bhp on his Cupra K1 yet cant beat times and terminal speeds on the 1/4 mile done by a Cupra with 60 bhp less using the same code and with near identical modifications. Its really the choice between Strawberry Raspberry Cranberry or Blackberry at the end of the day.
My choice is raspberry based on location, adjustability, performance, linearity and support. These might not be the same reasons someone else has and that is fine
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Poverty
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Yeah APR never actually left the UK, they have had agents in the UK after awesome switched.
Early APR code was softer than Revo code due to like Irfan saying, the code bein optimised to work in perfect harmony with the OEM hardware, especially with the clutch in mind.
It was put forward to them that in the Uk, customers are less inclined to worry about changing the clutch in return for more power and so that's what tey did, gave the UK market what they wanted and in turn currently have the strongest OEM ko4 map IMO.
Also when people have slight issues with their cars, APR arrange for the vehicles to get seen by the HQ or an agent. Revo on the other hand will tell you that it's your car and not the code. They will then run off their script about checking, pcv, spark plugs, coil packs, fuel filter, valve springs etc, even when they secretly know the issue was directly linked to their remap. I still have all the emails in regards to this.
IMO its a very poor showing, and someone naive or who didn't happen to have a friend running identical spec on also a relatively new car which suffered from the exact same fault, would have spent hundreds of not 4 figures checking and changing all of those things. All because Revo maps will request 135bar of fuel, when they fully well knew the oem fuelling system can only cope at 130bar max. Why would you do that?
Early APR code was softer than Revo code due to like Irfan saying, the code bein optimised to work in perfect harmony with the OEM hardware, especially with the clutch in mind.
It was put forward to them that in the Uk, customers are less inclined to worry about changing the clutch in return for more power and so that's what tey did, gave the UK market what they wanted and in turn currently have the strongest OEM ko4 map IMO.
Also when people have slight issues with their cars, APR arrange for the vehicles to get seen by the HQ or an agent. Revo on the other hand will tell you that it's your car and not the code. They will then run off their script about checking, pcv, spark plugs, coil packs, fuel filter, valve springs etc, even when they secretly know the issue was directly linked to their remap. I still have all the emails in regards to this.
IMO its a very poor showing, and someone naive or who didn't happen to have a friend running identical spec on also a relatively new car which suffered from the exact same fault, would have spent hundreds of not 4 figures checking and changing all of those things. All because Revo maps will request 135bar of fuel, when they fully well knew the oem fuelling system can only cope at 130bar max. Why would you do that?
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OK my bad for the APR detail and UK coverage. I live in North Scotland and am none the wiser to it all anyway. Apologies for stating an incorrect fact.
With regard to the consistent REVO blaming the car detail, this is not soemthing I have seen. Sure, the code may well have not be optimal, same as Bluefin, GIAC, APR or any other code for that matter. Thats why they all evolve. Microsoft and McAfee update their software a lot more regulalry than any of them though eh
For what its worth, I know of 3 cars all running REVO beta maps (and have been in them all), and all the issues you listed above regarding fuelling flat spots etc etc etc are absolutely nowhere to be found Pov. And to be fair, the issues you keep mentioning are not that widely reported on the scale of things and you know the same as me that cars that had code other than revo also suffered the highlighted symptoms.
Oh, and all 3 cars with the Revo beta code drive superbly and are very fast
With regard to the consistent REVO blaming the car detail, this is not soemthing I have seen. Sure, the code may well have not be optimal, same as Bluefin, GIAC, APR or any other code for that matter. Thats why they all evolve. Microsoft and McAfee update their software a lot more regulalry than any of them though eh
For what its worth, I know of 3 cars all running REVO beta maps (and have been in them all), and all the issues you listed above regarding fuelling flat spots etc etc etc are absolutely nowhere to be found Pov. And to be fair, the issues you keep mentioning are not that widely reported on the scale of things and you know the same as me that cars that had code other than revo also suffered the highlighted symptoms.
Oh, and all 3 cars with the Revo beta code drive superbly and are very fast
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Poverty
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OK my bad for the APR detail and UK coverage. I live in North Scotland and am none the wiser to it all anyway. Apologies for stating an incorrect fact.
With regard to the consistent REVO blaming the car detail, this is not soemthing I have seen. Sure, the code may well have not be optimal, same as Bluefin, GIAC, APR or any other code for that matter. Thats why they all evolve. Microsoft and McAfee update their software a lot more regulalry than any of them though eh
For what its worth, I know of 3 cars all running REVO beta maps (and have been in them all), and all the issues you listed above regarding fuelling flat spots etc etc etc are absolutely nowhere to be found Pov. And to be fair, the issues you keep mentioning are not that widely reported on the scale of things and you know the same as me that cars that had code other than revo also suffered the highlighted symptoms.
Oh, and all 3 cars with the Revo beta code drive superbly and are very fast
The Revo beta maps are development maps and not yet available to the public. The map they have been selling are buggy. In hindsight I should have got a full refund for the Revo map as it didn't do as advertised, one of the claims being that it's smoother than standard which it isn't.
The other thing with these Revo beta maps is that they will now be a unknown quantity. No facts or figures to back up to say if it's a fast and safe map.
As for the flatspot not widely being reported I'd disagree. Again alot of people have complained about it on mk5gti.co.uk and vwvortex, alot of people will only discuss it via private messages, and lastly it doesn't rear it's head in first second gear, rarely in third but mostly 4th, 5th and 6th, law breaking jail time speeds which alot of people in the UK won't get up to.
That aside, why should someone want to do business with a company that's behaving dishonestly towards its customers?
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Bit like a broken record is our Pov and he really likes to get the boot in to Revo.
Bit like a broken record is our Pov and he really likes to get the boot in to Revo
.And to the OP - take Poverty's anti-revo feelings with a large pinch of salt. They seem to pop up on here a lot more often than not
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Poverty
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Bit like a broken record is our Pov and he really likes to get the boot in to Revo
Constructive reply there Al.
I'm sharing my experiences so people don't have to put up with the same BS I had to. You don't care about your car having a flat spot. We get this now.
Thanks mate - Thought it would make a change from the destructive comments you made above
My car has no flat spot
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