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mattcogg1981

mattcogg1981

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Hi all,

Wondered if anyone can help. My power steering has been going for a while and thought it was fluid levels. After a service the guy said that it wasn't the levels and went about checking any possible cause. Basically the steering pump is faulty and needs replacing. The part alone costs £500 and that is not even from SEAT. Could I source a second hand one and if so where? Anyone got any other ideas what it could be causing it? I have no fault codes and steering is getting worse.

Please help

Matt
 
Sometimes the pumps can fail and need replacing. If your mechanic has check the system properly then i'd trust what he's saying. Has the system been bled properly? Has the rack been checked?

I bought a second hand pump for a black Ibiza that I was repairing a while ago. It came from a car breakers called 'Charles Trent' It cost me £120 and it came with a new bracket too (Seat charge £50 for the bracket alone!!) Unfortunatly the pump was faulty and so sent it back and got a full refund. They only gave me a 14 day warranty so bear that in mind if you do buy a second hand one.

Have a look on ebay as there are normally a few on there. Polos, Ibizas and Fabias use the same pump too
 
If buying a secondhand pump I'd avoid Fabia just in case you end up with a Koyo or something pump - you need a TRW and only later Fabia and all Polo and Ibiza were fitted with them. There is a re-manufacturer based in UK that gives a 2 year warranty, maybe search the internet using "electo hydraulic steering pump remanufacturers" or maybe "mini steering pumps" - as they have a problem as well as VAG!!

Its BBA REMAN that you are looking for they also trade on ebay - user name is bba-reman or www.bba-reman.com is their site. They have been checked out by Car Mechanic magazine and seem to re-man clusters, throttle bodies as well as electric steering pumps.

Cost is £275 exchange, they send you out a re-man'd pump complete, you fit it then return old pump - £75 excess if old pump not returned.

Remember if you fit a secondhand pump then it will just fail at the normal time (whenever that time is) due to moisture ingress.

One final edit, I'd get a proper VAG or proper indep VAG specialist to check this system, just in case its only a steering angle sensor failure - could be worth spending money before taking or getting someone else to take the plunge and change the pump assembly. You know the possibility "sorry mate the steering sensors has now failed" after the pump had been wrongly diagnosed - and yes I've heard of a Skoda dealer doing that to someone that knew nothing about cars!
 
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Thanks guys,

Used a few websites and sourced myself a second hand pump for £50! It arrived this morning but and came with a 3 month warranty. Without sounding stupid has anyone got a part code or pic so I can make sure it is definitely the right one? Anywhere of definitely telling?

Matt
 
Hi all,

Got pump today and attached a few pics to see if anyone can help identify if it is the right pump. Really don't want to get it fitted unless sure. Can anyone help?

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the mk 4 pump comes complete with resevoir and I dont think it can be split, I think the two brands are interchangable but not sure doesn't look like the pic you have there what exactly is the problem? have you vag-com'd it
 
Thanks guys,

You were totally right this wasn't the right one! I just spoke to them and they said they didn't realise I wanted a hydro electric pump! How annoying is that! Anyway after taking the wheel and trim off I found it and now have a part number as well which helps. They may have one but they said it all depends on the codes matching up, something to do with the ECU. It will be £150 if they have which is still better than brand new. Tempted by the recon ones though now.

I will keep you updated - at least I have saved myself the hassle of it being the wrong one and paying the labour of finding that out.

Thanks again

Matt
 
I'd still stick with a warranted re-con though - I think that they - BBA-RECON - the company that I mentioned, only do TRW pumps which is good as I still think that you will find that a Koyo or whatever will give you grief pipe-wise and any of them will be 6>8 years old now - so older and duffer than your present one - look at the bba-recon website as there is a picture of the pump you need, you will still need to give them your VIN so that they send the correct one - backed up by the numbers you have read off your one.

Just had a thought, or what I should have suggested first time round, this is always going to be expensive, so, how long do you mean to keep this car? If it is a couple of years or so then you will kick yourself if a cheap(ish) secondhand pump fails again for the same reason - ie moisture ingress - even more money! So, as I suggested in my first reply, you really need to get this car scanned just in case it is not the pump that is faulty, these assemblies have an ECU mounted on them and it is that ECU that is sending out a fault code - but you have yet to find what it thinks that code is - it does not matter if the pump is 100% okay, if its ECU thinks the steering system is faulty, then it will fall back into fail-safe mode and disable the pump operation - so you get a steering system fault indication and the steering is heavy due to the pump being held off.

I see that you are from Somerset and near the sea so this could be why, if the pump is faulty that you have been unlucky with moisture ingress - in your case salty moisture ingress - even worse for the pump assembly electrics - that is if that pump is the cause of the system failure and not just the steering sensor.
 
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Thanks RUM4MO you have been really helpful,

I do not get a fault code at all on the dash and has been scanned (not by SEAT) and not fault code was displayed. The steering has been slowly getting worse and kind off jinks now and then. I am hoping this all points towards a steering pump failure. I have checked out that website and seems really reasonable. Another company called Volksparts have one but want 269 + VAT + £95 surcharge for non return of pump. I will get a one year warranty. So all in all getting one from BBA-recon seems the best option.

I want to keep the car definitely and would rather pay the money for the right one. Can anyone tell me how to avoid getting a Koyo one? Are they on a certain car etc?
 
I don't think that you can get a Koyo one - the illustration on the BBA-RECON site certainly is of the TRW one - but there again its only an illustration. If you try to get one for a Skoda Fabia, I think that you will find that they are not available and I'm guessing the reason for that is because "you" might be asking for a Koyo version - and they don't bother refurbishing them as probably over 80% of the cars on the road will have TRW systems (that %age is just a convenient guess!). I'd guess that recoding will be necessary - but that can be done with VAG-COM or the dealers tool - might be best to get the soft coding of your current pump read before it gets removed (for referance) - on the other hand, bba-recon might even supply them ready coded and that would explain why there is a different order code for the Ibiza and the Polo pumps. If you are not getting questions about what is involved answered on this forum, join www.briskoda.net and ask questions in the Fabia section, there are indep VAG techs on that site who can be very helpful as they will have seen a lot of this sort of problem. What exactly are the failure symptoms of your steering system as it could just be a duff battery or leads?(could be a strange point in this discussion to ask that - but the techs on briskoda will start but asking that I'm sure!)

Edit - I'm wrong bba-recon do now list a pump for a Fabia - but the illustration is for a TRW pump!

Another edit! - right I've checked my copy of ETOS and there was only one TRW pump fitted to Ibiza and it is VAG P/N 6Q0 423 155 AE - you can check if your system is a TRW system by removing the steering fluid filler cap and you should find lettering on it including the letters TRW - also it should have a short necked section on the built-in dipstick and the cap should have vertical ribs for gripping. If your system is SMI-KOYO - and it now seems that some Ibizas were built with that system, then two pump variants were fitted VAG P/N 6Q0 423 155 AD >6L - 5 - 108600 and 6Q0 423 165 A 6L - 5 - 108601> BTW "5" means model year 2005 ie built after June/July or maybe August 2004 - remember your car could have been stored for a while before it was first reg'd - so don't use the reg'd date as the definative answer as to which model year the car was built.
 
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Ok right I ordered a pump from BBA RECON and they did NOT ask for a part number/VIN/REG or anything. The part numbers on my pump are as follows:

The top code on the silver reads 6Q0423156M

Below that on a sticky label were two more codes they were:
6Q1423051 AD
6Q2423051 R

I am really worried I am not going to get the right one? Do these codes mean anything to you?
I was seriously hoping it wouldn't need to be re-coded I thought it was just be a straight switch. How long does it take to fit? Also if need re-coding how much?
 
I would not think that you have much to lose other than a few days delay - if the worst happens - ie you end up being supplied with the wrong pump (ie they would say sorry and send out the correct one). I'd say if it looks the same then it is the same and if then it does not work right away then it would need its "soft code" changed using either VAG-COM or any other tool that an independant VAG specialist uses - so you would still be as mobile as you are with the current pump.

Did you look around the pump for the hints that I said would tie it down to being a TRW pump? The trouble with some of these assemblies is that they are a collection of sub-units and you might be finding the VAG P/N of these sub-units. One fact about all VAG P/N is that they are very structured in the way they are "made", the first number group in the case of this pump will be 6Q0 and the second number group will be 423, I'm a bit concerned that you found a third group that was 165 as my version of ETOS only lists 155 or 156 - but as I said it might be the P/N of a sub-unit - as long as you have checked that your current pump is TRW. Your local Seat dealer's parts place would have printed out a "car data" listing for you and that would/should list the type of steering equipment fitted during initial assembly - that bit of paper is handy for lots of info where options or alternative suppliers may have been used at any point in your car.

Are you going to fit this yourself, if so you will need new fluid from VAG, the N/S wheel will need to be removed as will the wheel arch liner and unless you are a contortionist the front bumper and remove all the connectors. Maybe buy a new O-ring seal for the return pipe joint. I think you just remove the pump assembly complete with its mounting bracket - and swop the pumps from the mounting when its off the car. The steering system will need bled but this bit is just a case of, with the front jacked up - both sides, after filling the reservoir turn the steering slowly from end to end a dozen times - checking and adding fluid. Next fit the reservoir cap loosely and start the engine and run it at idle for 10 minutes, stop add fluid and refit cap loosely, restart engine and turn the steering side to side a dozen times, add fluid - repeat the last two steps until it needs no more fluid added - then fit the cap firmly. Remember, if you need to buy the fluid and the seal any VW garage is just as good a source of parts as your Seat garage.

I'd just buy a Haynes for a Polo 9N ie manual 4608 if you need all that advice.

I'm fortunate as I have not needed to mess around with the steering system yet, but I've pointed a few people in the direction of BBA-RECON since I read about them - but no one has returned to the forum (probably the Skoda one) and reported back on how "it went" - but that is usually the way, people just mainly ask questions and that thing went well they disappear - I'm sure you will report back an update us - for our future use!
 
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mattcogg1981 said:
Ok right I ordered a pump from BBA RECON and they did NOT ask for a part number/VIN/REG or anything. The part numbers on my pump are as follows:

The top code on the silver reads 6Q0423156M

Below that on a sticky label were two more codes they were:
6Q1423051 AD
6Q2423051 R

I am really worried I am not going to get the right one? Do these codes mean anything to you?
I was seriously hoping it wouldn't need to be re-coded I thought it was just be a straight switch. How long does it take to fit? Also if need re-coding how much?
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for what it's worth the KOYO pump has lugs cast into the res' and is screwed to the pump body, the TRW res' seems to snap on using the Vw stuff is important, "-G002 000"
 
Hi all,

I got the pump delivered today and it "looks" ok so far. Can people take a look at the pictures and see what they think. It is for a Mk4 Seat Ibiza Tdi 130 03 plate. It has the markings of a TRW pump as mentioned above. Being fitted at garage tomorrow just really hoping it doesn't need re-programming. As a re-con pump not sure if a "put together pump" so not sure if codes relate or night. No codes on bottom half at all.

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What do people think?

How long in hours to fit do people think? So I can get an idea on labour charges.
 
That looks like the correct pump. I was told by a parts guy at Seat that it didn't matter if the code was slightly different as it would still work.

The pump itself isn't too hard to change yourself if you have a bit of mechanical knowledge. You can get access to it by just removing the wheel arch lining, however it's easier if you take off the bumper aswell. Obviously the system will need draining first, after that all the bolts, cables and pipes that need detaching are quite visible. Re-fitting is the same as removal however the system will need filling and bleeding.

Personally I could change a pump in about an hour. That's with removing the bumper aswell. It may take a garage longer if they have to figure out how to do it.
 
Remember what I said about being able to tell if the original one was a TRW one - is the original one TRW as this one is - the caps will be identical? Any manufacturing stick on labels would have got removed during the cleaning stage I'd reckon.
 
Yeah had a quick look at the one on my car and they look similar. I think I will mention how to access the pump tomorrow when I drop it in. Hoping it will take 2 hours tops!!! Dropping it in at 8am but I know something else is bound to go wrong it has been a nightmare!

Fingers crossed and will keep you posted
 
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