Stupid tyre question

John Young

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I know this is going to sound daft but with my car is came with the inflation kit which I hate so I want a proper spare for it. Either full size or space saver.

I have seen an old 2005 wheel and tyre on ebay that is very cheap as it has a badly scratched alloy wheel but I thought it would do for a spare. But its tyre is 205 not 215 like mine. Could I have that on the car if the other tyres are 215. I would only have it on temp until the proper tyre was fixed and swapped back

Also is the jack for the Seat Ibiza 1.2 FR (2016) a scissor jack or something else ?
 

John Young

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Thanks but crikey that is expensive.... I saw one with jack etc for £60 but its 2015 instead of 215 but its still 16"

So the jack looks unusual is it a specialist fit or something - hard to see from photo


Ah from online manual it is a bit different
 

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RUM4MO

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I would think that a scrappy could be your best source for this, ie proper 15" steel spare and tool kit from a wrecked car.

Edit:- including the large plastic headed retainer bolt.
 

John Young

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You know what I have been thinking and in all my cars I have had one puncture and that was in my 'project car' which was a Nissan 200sx Years and years ago..... not had one since so it may be tempting fate but I don't think I will carry around that extra weight


Might just leave it with the puncture kit .... I might regret it though but hopefully not :no:
 

RUM4MO

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Ohhhhhhh, now that you have considered doing this, you might end up giving yourself a good kicking if things go bad.

A friend at work, bought a new Fiat Punto and told me about it, I asked if it had a spare wheel - and it did not, though he was going to buy one sometime.

A few months later, he was transporting a lot of wedding gifts back from a very remote Northern wedding venue, when he had a puncture, pulled into the side of the motorway and phoned the RAC as he had free cover with the car's warranty - their answer was "use the product supplied" and continue on your journey, now he had looked at the tyre and by the time he had stopped it was split wide open, never the less the RAC insisted that he used the product supplied by Fiat, so he did with the expected results!
Phoned RAC again saying that he had a puncture, used the supplied product and was still stuck with a wrecked flat tyre, RAC responded within a hour or so and eventually transported his car back to his home city, where, by now, the local Fiat dealership was shut as it was very late, so instead of leaving the car there and everything exposed to break-in and theft, he got the RAC to take him home.
All of this phoning, using product, phoning and waiting to be picked up cost them maybe 4 - 6 hours.
So, he was stuck with a dead car, no car tools to jack up and remove the wheel to take on a bus the next day to his local nearest tyre place - next plan was to book a day holiday and phone up a mobile tyre fitter, they came out, raised the car up onto a block, took the wheel away and ordered in a new tyre same as the others, that took 2 or 3 days as that mobile tyre guy had his own sources of new tyres.
So, a day's holiday gone and maybe another when the wheel was returned, a car out of use for 3 or 4 days, an expensive tyre replacement and basically a return journey from a wedding messed up.
Next day he went down to his local Fiat dealer and ordered in a new spare wheel/tyre and all the rest of the bits needed, ie a tool kit which cost a lot more than it would have if he had checked up with a local scrappy!

So, that is just my experience of finding out what can happen to someone that did not have a spare wheel and car tool kit, I hope that I never ever need to end up with a car without a spare wheel and car tool kit.
 

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I once had a nail stuck into the rear tyre (quite close the edge) it was a slow puncture though (every day it lost 6-7 PSI or so). So for the first few days I just went to the air pump at the fuel station. In hindsight I could have used my reinflation compressor kit. Anyway...when I finally went to ATS...they asked me...when did I have the puncture...I told them few days ago, and they thought I used the sealant gunk from the inflation kit...I'm like, no..i just inflated it, and let it deflate a bit and re-inflated in, until today. He mentioned it was good I did this, as had I used the selant kit, they could not have saved the tyre anyway, and required a brand new one..which would cost a lot more than the £20 I paid to patch it+new valves. Whether it's true or not, I'm no sure...but having the nail stuck it in..did 'plug' the air coming out for a bit. After the patch I had no tyre issues on that tyre...must have done a good job!
 

John Young

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Yeah the above stories is the reason I had a spare with my last car (Citroen) that I bought myself as that also came with an inflation kit. We have looked at quite a few cars and all but one (Hyundai) had inflation kits. I think its a cop out and and a cheap pump and gunk is cheaper to supply and in my eyes a crime :censored:.

I suppose in this new car (The Seat) I thought I would be sacrificing the off chance of needing the spare for the extra weight I would be carrying all the time as this car is small and nippy compared to my last car
 

RUM4MO

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KXL, yes, use the supplied product and if you are lucky you can get moving, but tyre is now "dead", and probably you would get charged to clean up the inside of the wheel.

Getting a nail quite close to the edge of a tyre normally condemns it to death as well though.

I see that there is now a puncture repair system that allows you to insert the plug from the outside, so no tyre removal needed, but maybe a rebalance would make sense, though I'd feel happier getting an old style mushroom plug.

Another issue used to be about tyre pressure monitors, it has been said by others that when you go into a tyre place and report a puncture on a well worn tyre, they asked if you had a tyre pressure monitor unit in the wheel, if so, they tended to cut the tyre open to save damaging the expensive tyre pressure monitor! Luckily most UK supplied VW Group cars have indirect TPMS so no problems there at tyre changing time.
 

RUM4MO

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Yeah the above stories is the reason I had a spare with my last car (Citroen) that I bought myself as that also came with an inflation kit. We have looked at quite a few cars and all but one (Hyundai) had inflation kits. I think its a cop out and and a cheap pump and gunk is cheaper to supply and in my eyes a crime :censored:.

I suppose in this new car (The Seat) I thought I would be sacrificing the off chance of needing the spare for the extra weight I would be carrying all the time as this car is small and nippy compared to my last car

I think that removing the spare wheel etc is used to lower emissions group and so tax group in some cases, backed up by health and safety reasons - ie a completely "lacking" person having a go at wheel changing at the side of the road - or even on the traffic side of a motorway.

Edit:- with the added bonus of upselling a spare wheel kit as aftermarket, win win!
 

John Young

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I think that removing the spare wheel etc is used to lower emissions group and so tax group in some cases, backed up by health and safety reasons - ie a completely "lacking" person having a go at wheel changing at the side of the road - or even on the traffic side of a motorway.

Edit:- with the added bonus of upselling a spare wheel kit as aftermarket, win win!

Yeah the above is true and great for people who don't want to change a spare or can't physically but I cannot help think its for cost cutting
 

Imperial

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I found that by searching for polo spare wheels on ebay returned more hits. I think I got an unused one with all the jack etc for about £45.
 
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John Young

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I found that by searching for polo spare wheels on ebay returned more hits. I think I got an unused one with all the jack etc for about £45.

Do they fit OK ?

I have the one from my Citroen which is the same size but it has 4 nuts not 5 like seat
 

Imperial

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Yes, both 5x100. My FR is 215/40/17, the spare is 185/60/15. Part number from the listing is 6C0601027.
 

John Young

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Yes, both 5x100. My FR is 215/40/17, the spare is 185/60/15. Part number from the listing is 6C0601027.


Thank you I will look at that. I have seen a steel wheel for the Ibiza with jack etc for £55 but I was reluctant because of the extra weight of a full size spare wheel
 
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