Superchips bhp/torque increase

[dave]

Hi guys, i sent a email to superchips asking about increases in bhp/torque, they didn't have any thing for the leon cupra, but they did have some figs from there rolling road on the skoda octavia RS 1.8T(180)

Original - 179bhp
200lb/ft torque

Superchips - 190bhp
249lb/ft(340nm)

I thought that was quite a big increase in torque, but not so good for bhp.

I wondering what does it do to the cars performance having a lot more torque, but not so much bhp?

What do you guys think of the increases superchips gave?

dave

 

[Cupramax]

Thosw standard figures are a bit suspect. That motor is the same as the Leon ie 180hp and 173lbft torque!!!

 

[Danny]

Yeah, and when it is tuned it gives 200 lb/ft or 270 Nm, I'm sure superchips either made a mistake or try to fool you.

...Danny

 

[dave]

Hi guys, superchips did send me the graphs with bhp/torque on them, maybe they are telling lies, all knows?

I did read on a audi forum about the torque, what they state in the leaflets is what you will get when you drive out of show room, but when you done a few miles 10,000miles the car is well loosen up, and you should expect to be getting 10/15 lb/ft more from car.

dave

 

[Danny]

Ok, it might be possible since 340Nm@3000RPM gives about 145 HP and intercooler can provide cool air for 200 HP. But, 340 Nm is still more than 20% increase regarding normal tuned (270Nm) engines, so they simply might have gained that 340 Nm by increasing turbo pressure another 20 percent (up to 2.0 bar??) at that RPM. Ofcourse the latter is just me guessing (don't know much), but face it, the difference is too big to be achieved by optimizing ignition timing and stuff even better, or most other tuners are weenies .

...Danny

 

[Toonman]

Maybe they've got better over the years, but my experience of Superchips was in '91 and was not good... 3 faulty ECUs (two on arrival and not spotted by the authorised agent - I realised in under 100 yards) and the other lasted only 4 days before it went "phut". I got my money back after a struggle.

Poor product, poor agent, poor aftersales, poor company - and time I feel has dimmed the memory just a little. You should've heard what I said to all that would listen 10 years ago!

 

[psrob]

I recently contacted Superchips and got an E-Mail back to say the power gain for the Leon Cupra is +20 bhp which thus makes it 200bhp and the torque goes up from 173lb/ft to 210lb/ft.
Should be getting this done fairly soon. This is all done on a rolling road at a well known local performance specialist. Hope this gives you a bit of info.

PSROB- Imperial blue Leon Cupra

 

[dave]

should be interesting, let me know what the results are like.

dave

 

[Swedish]

MTM provides a chip for the APP version that will give 195hp and
350nm. (www.mtm-online.de)
And the very same chip produces 202hp and 365nm at a swedish
tuning company. (www.audituning.com)

But when looking at the MTM provided dynosheets you see
that the chip produces max 320-330nm at 3600rpm.

Maybe theyre using old sheets or something.. i dont know..

another swedish tuning company www.tuningchip.com offer
225hp and 305nm.
And www.bsrab.se offer 215hp and 320nm.

Somehow it seems impossible to tune the '01 Leons!
The powerband is not smooth enough, its jerky and at
idling its very nervous.

the max torque with just chipping seems to be around 320nm...

 

[rakh1]

I would stay well clear of superchips. From what I hear they are a bit funny....they like doing things like disabling knock-sensors, etc!!!

Rich (RSD'd so a bit biased!)

 

[Tdi 110]

One thing I have noticed is that when they quote for instance +30bhp on the TDi, they acually mean a maximum of 30bhp somewhere in the rev range, max power is +27bhp (i.e 110-137), but it increases by 30bhp further down the rev range. This is also the case for torque, companies may be able to get bigger gains than others, but most of the time the Maximum figure is normally the same.

 

[Chins]

Some other things to throw in to the melting pot.

I organised the dyno day for S3's/A3's/TT's at PE. We had a Superchips 225 on the day, which gave some of the best results going. The shape of the torque curve could of been better, but was still acceptable.

All the owners of recent Audi's that have Superchips, seem to be happy, and report no problems.

If you hear reports where people say they had a Superchip on their S4 and the turbo expired, so have std cars as well as AMD and MTM.

Superchips does have a bad rap in the Scooby community, due to a low tech approach to this engine. However on BMW's they can reprogram through the serial port.


Later Cars More Power - there seem to be developments on later cars, not sure if they have filtered through to Seat yet. ex ABT quote 193bhp for 2000my and earlier, but 210bhp for the latest cars. Both tuned by ECU alone.

One thing dyno days has shown me, is not to rely on any tuners figures. Some are way too optimistic and variable, other to pessimistic.

Personally money being no object though I would always go for either MTM, ABT or Oettinger.


Jonathan

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by Chins
Some other things to throw in to the melting pot.

I organised the dyno day for S3's/A3's/TT's at PE. We had a Superchips 225 on the day, which gave some of the best results going. The shape of the torque curve could of been better, but was still acceptable.

All the owners of recent Audi's that have Superchips, seem to be happy, and report no problems.

If you hear reports where people say they had a Superchip on their S4 and the turbo expired, so have std cars as well as AMD and MTM.

Superchips does have a bad rap in the Scooby community, due to a low tech approach to this engine. However on BMW's they can reprogram through the serial port.


Later Cars More Power - there seem to be developments on later cars, not sure if they have filtered through to Seat yet. ex ABT quote 193bhp for 2000my and earlier, but 210bhp for the latest cars. Both tuned by ECU alone.

One thing dyno days has shown me, is not to rely on any tuners figures. Some are way too optimistic and variable, other to pessimistic.

Personally money being no object though I would always go for either MTM, ABT or Oettinger.


Jonathan

How about running another dyno session for the Seat or other VAG 20VT crew?
I'm sure there would be a few people up for it.
Bill

 

[Chins]

I dont mind helping organise a day. The two main places Ive used are Power Engineering and Power Station. Maybe our friendly Cheltenham based Seat dealer would organise a day ?

Jonathan

 

[was225]

superchips is the best 265 bhp 0 to 60 5.6

 

[ElasticTangent]

I was chatting to the Superchips guys at the Motorsport show at the NEC. For the LCR the figures are:

54 bhp increase (taking it to 279bhp)
86 NM gain (taking it to 366nm)
Lb/Ft gain 63

The power curve can be found here ---> http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/s3-225.pdf

It's all done via the serial port these days so no nasty soldering or messing about with the physical ECU. They seem to know there stuff but I wouldn't mind knowing what the real life gains are.

 

[Dodson]

How much are superchips compared to other remapping companies?

 

[ElasticTangent]

£511.13 for the Superchips. Revo is about the same. Awesome GTI are doing the APR stage 1 for £375 + the VAT at the moment. Not sure about the others.

 

[Dodson]

so is there any reason why people are cosidering this option even though people have used more recognised (with regard to VAG cars) company and got better or similar gains?

 

[ElasticTangent]

I guess it comes down to your location or preferred garage. I you drive a huge amount of distance to get a Revo for example and you had some problems with it you'd be stuck driving back and to. I'd sooner have the work done by someone I trusted that was close by and see which type of remap they did.

You're right though. Revo and APR (amongst others) do seem to be the remaps of choice.