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So... the facts and figures show that younger drivers DO have more accidents ... which kind of proves exactly the opposite of what you are trying to say??



Also, I think you will find many older drivers compensate for their slower reactions / poorer eyesight, etc etc. Many will only drive in the daytime in areas they know well, tend to drive slower and with more consideration. They also have a lot more experience.

Where as us younger drivers (as a whole group) tend to over estimate our skill levels and the capability of the vehicles we drive.

Yes weve all heard it about the 17year olds being renowned for pie-ing it into a tree, but you will struggle to find many 17year old lcr drivers with the cost of running and insurance.

And that was exactly my point - maybe older drivers do drive a bit slower, but not only do they lack reactions/vision/strength to push brake pedal, they also have inferior stopping power on top of this.

Daytime / night time, area you know / area you dont, if someone runs out infront of you, neither of these two have any relevance.
 
In my mind, if you have to ask about MPGs of a turbo car then you really shouldnt own one.

The whole point of them is to be fast, handle well and turn heads. Sadly this means economy always suffers.

Although saying that the LCR is (aside from a passat TDi) the most econimical turbo car i have owned.

My MR2 when that used to be a daily driver was creaming through nearly £500 a month in fuel, which now looking back was just plain stupid.
 
Why do people keep insisting on MPG not baring any relevance what-so-ever, simply because it is a performance car?

So what if its primary design purpose was to be a quick motor, this doesn't mean that economy is not relevant to the car in the slightest...

Just because MPG will reduce with increased performance, does not mean that it is not worth noting, especially given todays ridiculous fuel prices!

If you are either rich or stupid enough to not care what MPG your car gives, then why look at a thread titled 'The secret to decent MPG'!!!
 
just see it again and again on all sorts of car forums, people are either amazed at how bad the mpgs are, or impressed at how they can get the little mpg reader to show 70+mpgs at 20mph in 6th gear.

If you want sensible economy buy a diesel, if you want an alround fast car, get an LCR.
 
Probably see it again and again due to petrol prices. If it were cheap as chips, don't think people would be as bothered.

Seeing as I usually go through at least £50 a week just going to work and back and the occasional potter around town etc, and during the last week, since I filled up on Monday, I haven't even hit half a tank yet, it is definately a topic worth talking about, as there is lots of money to be saved that can then be spent on mods!

Managed 50.1mpg on way home from work yesterday, 19 mile trip across somerset/wiltshire. Thats not far off double the normal figures, and I'm sure plenty of people would be interested in halving their fuel bill!
 
Why do people keep insisting on MPG not baring any relevance what-so-ever, simply because it is a performance car?

So what if its primary design purpose was to be a quick motor, this doesn't mean that economy is not relevant to the car in the slightest...

Just because MPG will reduce with increased performance, does not mean that it is not worth noting, especially given todays ridiculous fuel prices!

If you are either rich or stupid enough to not care what MPG your car gives, then why look at a thread titled 'The secret to decent MPG'!!!


I totally agree... well put! The way I see it performance and economy isn't mutually exclusive!
 
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Cheers mate, yeah, admittedly you can't have one or another at the exact same time, but can't say it doesnt matter... just lower down the list of priorities thats all.
 
I think MPG is quite important, not because of the MPG wars but to see if the car is running how it should.

MPG can indicate problems with sticking brakes, temp sender faults and other things.......Its good to have the MPG readings so you can check everything is running as it should.

My MPG readings are low all of a sudden, normal driving gives me 22-25MPG whereas previously I got 25-28MPG (and with the weather getting warmer I was expecting if anything for the MPG to rise slightly)

Same happened with my old TDI, so I went hunting for my missing MPG.......fuel filter, clean MAF and temp sender later and my MPG was back up to its normal self. With the current price of fuel I saved a small fortune over time!!! :)
 
I don't like fish. I have a battered sausage. Or Peas.

Is this considered off topic?

Yes :lol:



You have done 120m and the range is still reading 420, add on the additional 30m or so that you can get past the 0 range and that is around 570m:blink:

Not a chance, i carried out this test quite a few times (on long motorway runs) and best i managed was low 400's (418 IIRC)

Can't see you getting 570 to a tank, that would be 47.5mpg average over the whole tank. (570/12)

jesus , i struggle with that in the derv :)


as for mpg etc

you woulnt buy a ferarri or lambo if you couldnt affort to tax or insure it would you ?

iw as looking into the R's when chosing my car , but background checking the inusrance , tax and mpg didnt fit my bill as i too like to venture off places , spirited drives at the right times / place etc so chose the cupra diesel

half the insurance tax miles til empty is much better in my eyes , but in the future i may jump ship again who knows , but common sense comes into play for day to day life , dont accelorate rapidly to 70 and your gona save the fuel dont do blast around in terential rain when you know you cant stop / see react intime to stop suddenly


as for driving , i think they should bring out more stringent tests , even if you have to have so many hours of driving before alloing a test or drive with passengers etc etc

when i passed my test in 2002 , not once was there ever a mention about what to do in a blow out scenario

what happens exactly a year to the day i passed , yes a blow out , i panic WTF was that , traveling around a bend

I brake sharply and suddenly

car locks up and lanches me off the road basically , ended up upside down resting against a church wall (the actual building ) took out a metal fence and the stone wall before it

and next thing i know im upside down on my roof resting agaist the gas mains into the building , kicking my way out the front windscreen (and yes i wasnt wearing a seatbelt )

so yes i do count my blessings and thanked god he was at home when i passed :)

so if they made us to skid pans etc , different conditions blah blah then i would have know / reacted differently

i then got put on a driver improvement scheme which aided my skills

plus having a child and being put through various tests for driving compoany vehicles does have a second thought about it

on a second note , wearing a seat belt malarky , as above i survived my ordeal yet a girl i once new had a crash as a passenger and died because her belt damaged her so badly internally her arteries stopped functioning etc

so .,,.,..,


as for the OP pointing it out , hes merly trying to help/ point out his findings which may / may not be appropriete /interests to some or all of you


job done
 
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what happens exactly a year to the day i passed , yes a blow out , i panic WTF was that , traveling around a bend

I brake sharply and suddenly

car locks up and lanches me off the road basically , ended up upside down resting against a church wall (the actual building ) took out a metal fence and the stone wall before it

and next thing i know im upside down on my roof resting agaist the gas mains into the building , kicking my way out the front windscreen (and yes i wasnt wearing a seatbelt )

Jesus mate that sounds pretty bad! lucky boy!


Regarding the MPG, I've managed 50mpg going home from work twice now, and can get 48 on the way to work! average of 49 mpg back to the same destination (so no advantage of downhill etc) aint too shabby!

currently sat on the halfway mark on petrol gauge and am on 280 miles!

Would normally be empty by now so the next half a tank is free motoring!!!
 
yes i thought i was lucky

although i always attract bad luck for most the time :( :(

and another thought just sprung to mind keeping the air filter clean and maf cleaned or changed will also aid fuel , colder air increases fueling

to if you want good mpg have airducts directed from yer engine & heaters when on hot directed at your filter which has been shortened closer to the engine

opposite to the cold air feed malarky :)
 
and another thought just sprung to mind keeping the air filter clean and maf cleaned or changed will also aid fuel , colder air increases fueling

to if you want good mpg have airducts directed from yer engine & heaters when on hot directed at your filter which has been shortened closer to the engine

opposite to the cold air feed malarky :)

Colder air will have more oxygen per volume so will surely make for more efficient combustion, meaning more power AND more economy if you are taking it steady?
 
Hmmm.... dunno, good point, but would have thought it just be for noise reasons - have the filter right next to the engine and then loads of pipe down to bumper for the noise to be deadened in and also just wherever its cheapest / easiest for them to fit the air box?
 
Jesus mate that sounds pretty bad! lucky boy!


Regarding the MPG, I've managed 50mpg going home from work twice now, and can get 48 on the way to work! average of 49 mpg back to the same destination (so no advantage of downhill etc) aint too shabby!

currently sat on the halfway mark on petrol gauge and am on 280 miles!

Would normally be empty by now so the next half a tank is free motoring!!!

Did you just say 50mpg and you have a Cupra R?! :confused: