Tips on LCR

[bobby singh]

Hi all,

Im new to the forum so be gentle
My names Bobby and I currently drive a Golf mark 4 (52) 150hp diesel with around 75k miles which has been remapped. I'm VERY happy with its performance and love the fact that it can still do 400miles to the tank.

But the time has come for a change - and yes you've guess it I want a LCR.

I have a few questions I'm looking to p/ex the golf for the LCR how much do you think I should be expecting in terms of value?

I'm looking at LCR 225hp model around 2003 - is there anything in partcular i should be looking out for?

In terms of performance I've noticed that a remap will take it to 265hp what will it take to get it to 300hp?

Sorry about all the questions

Thanks
Bobby

 

[Ruddmeister]

In terms of performance I've noticed that a remap will take it to 265hp what will it take to get it to 300hp?

You would need a turbo swap as the K04 fitted is maxxed out just before 300bhp, a turbo swap should see 350bhp on stock internals

 

[D3DNA]

A couple of mods such as exhaust, intake, uprated dv, and a FMIC with a stage 2 Revo/APR/Jabba remap will be around the 300bhp mark.

 

[Empi5]

A couple of mods such as exhaust, intake, uprated dv, and a FMIC with a stage 2 Revo/APR/Jabba remap will be around the 300bhp mark.

I wish !

 

[bobby singh]

Thanks for the quick response - what about injectors? will the stock injectors be able to fuel 350hp? and what about the intercooler? @ 350hp the ACT 's will be through the roof on the standard i/c surely.

 

[Mitchy]

Stock Ko4 turbo can take 280bhp-285bhp max! Anyone that claims anymore from a standard Ko4 is exaggerating!

To get 280-285bhp, you'll need a full exhaust system (£750-£1000) a FMIC (£800) Closed Air Induction kit (£200). A turbo intake pipe (£120) and a custom remap (£500-650) along with a RC dumpvalve (£100)

So from standard you'll need to spend approx £2500 on it to take it upto around 285bhp.

Then if you want to go further a big turbo conversion will set you back around £4500 on top of what you have spent above. Yes you would need to uprate your injectors if your going for a BT conversion. Jabba do the IHI VF34 turbo which will take you to around 330-340bhp/350lbft but £4500 puts quite a few people off.

Then you've got to start thinking about uprating the clutch £750-1000, maybe some form of front differential (£1200) the brakes may need uprating as obviously you have added a considerable amount more power (£750-£1500) and obviously the suspension will need tweaking to cope with all that power (£750)

So there's another £3500-4000 on top of what you've already spent.

Gets expensive lol

Oh and the 225 LCR wasnt released until late 2003. If you are aiming for a 2003 model and are intent on having a 225 you need the 53 plate and above as 03 plated cars are 210 versions. (However some 53plates are also 210, so your better going for a 2004 version 04 plate and above just to make sure its a 225, but apart from the steering wheel there is no real difference between 210/225 versions)

 

[Ruddmeister]

I agree with m1tchy Big Turbo conversion start at probably £3k if you import your own bits and find a good garage to fit the bits and a mapper willing to just do a remap for you.

A fully sorted car putting out 350bhp plus with suspension exhaust and other bits and pieces probably around £7k upwards.

M1tchy's own solution of a NOS kit at around £1,500 for a 50bhp shot and a about £550 for a remap see's 320bhp and 400lbsft which is another cost effective solution.

 

[bobby singh]

Thanks for the info ppl To be honest 350hp is out of my reach, however the 280 options sounds good. Who is regarded as a good live mapper for these cars? I prefer on the road mapping rather than rolling road mapping.

M1tchy so just to confirm there is nothing different between the 210 and 225 model apart from the steering wheel?

Thank.

 

[Ruddmeister]

Thanks for the info ppl To be honest 350hp is out of my reach, however the 280 options sounds good. Who is regarded as a good live mapper for these cars? I prefer on the road mapping rather than rolling road mapping.

M1tchy so just to confirm there is nothing different between the 210 and 225 model apart from the steering wheel?

Thank.

Bobby

the difference between the 210 and 225 are on a sticky at the top of the Leon Mk1 section, before you get flamed you might want to do some reading

 

[bobby singh]

Cheers mate

 

[warren_cox]

A couple of mods such as exhaust, intake, uprated dv, and a FMIC with a stage 2 Revo/APR/Jabba remap will be around the 300bhp mark.

I've got the stage 2 Revo set up and I'd be surprised if I am actually running more than 240bhp. The torque figure is good at 310lb/ft, but I am yet to see an accurate bhp figure on this car that seems feasible. Supposedly AmD remapped my previous LCR to stage 1 without any exhaust / filters etc, and their rollers had it at 280bhp / 282lbft, but my current LCR is much quicker but I've never seen a high BHP figure out of it.

I think you have to go by what feels right as the figures seem pretty spurious. NOs or a BT conversion is the only way to see you over 300bhp.

 

[Ruddmeister]

Who is regarded as a good live mapper for these cars? I prefer on the road mapping rather than rolling road mapping.

Oooh now that's interesting, I mean the on the road bit

On the road mapping can be done with Custom Code, speak to your local custom code dealer.

Depends where you are in the country though there are some other tuners MRC etc?

 

[Ruddmeister]

I've got the stage 2 Revo set up and I'd be surprised if I am actually running more than 240bhp

You should get high figures at Stealth on Saturday provided there is nothing too seriously wrong with you motor.

 

[bobby singh]

CoxW - i know what u mean about rolling road figures they can be all over the place. I tend to go by dyno figures and terminal figures at 1/4 mile runs.

Ruddmeister - I live in the middlesex area - I come from a Ford background -build CVH turbo and cosworth engines as and when i get work. So i use Ahmed Bayjoo for all my mapping needs when related to Fords or pectal ecu's.

Thanks

 

[Ruddmeister]

Thanks for the info ppl To be honest 350hp is out of my reach, however the 280 options sounds good. Who is regarded as a good live mapper for these cars? I prefer on the road mapping rather than rolling road mapping.

Bobby

Something else for you to consider;-

A straight remap on a stock car is £550 and gets 265bhp (maybe change the dump valve so add £85)

To get to 280bhp using m1tchy calc's above you need to spend ( full exhaust system (£750-£1000) a FMIC (£800) Closed Air Induction kit (£200). A turbo intake pipe (£120) and a custom remap (£500-650) along with a RC dumpvalve (£100)....So from standard you'll need to spend approx £2500 on it to take it upto around 280bhp.

So that's over £1,800 for an extra 15bhp approx

In my experience 15bhp on the road makes very little difference and spending £1,200 on good suspension made up for the lack of 15bhp.

 

[warren_cox]

You should get high figures at Stealth on Saturday provided there is nothing too seriously wrong with you motor.

Like you say, if its safe I'd be facinated to see what it posts. I know Stealths rollers are old and have been deemed a little optimistic, but at Westec the car only posted 231bhp and 311lbft, whereas at stealth my amd car posted 258bhp and around 260lbft I seem to remember.

 

[warren_cox]

CoxW - i know what u mean about rolling road figures they can be all over the place. I tend to go by dyno figures and terminal figures at 1/4 mile runs.

Thanks

I think you're wise for taking this approach as its only really what it puts down on the road which is really a true reflection of anything, and with terminal 1/4's you're going to get a fairly good idea of this.

 

[Ruddmeister]

Like you say, if its safe I'd be facinated to see what it posts. I know Stealths rollers are old and have been deemed a little optimistic, but at Westec the car only posted 231bhp and 311lbft, whereas at stealth my amd car posted 258bhp and around 260lbft I seem to remember.

With just a Revo remap at Stealth but tweaked using SPS3 I got 272bhp and 311lbsft toruque, it was about as cold as it is today though.....Westec, well lets not open that can of worms except to say most 1.8T cars their are down on power

 

[warren_cox]

that is pretty good. My 258bhp posted after a drive to Derby & back (4.5hrs), so I may have had a touch of heatsoak, but probably only lost 3-5bhp with the soak. First run suffered that limp mode issue that non-Revo cars used to get when temps were low!

 

[Mitchy]

M1tchy so just to confirm there is nothing different between the 210 and 225 model apart from the steering wheel?

Thank.

Yes, its the only ''main'' difference! There are a couple of other bits like the 'cupra' badge colour and different wheel bearings
You'll be able to find all the differences in the sticky thread at top of this leon forum

Another ''main'' difference can be the tracker retrieve unit also but only some 225 cars had them!

99% of people go down the 280bhp route. At the moment i do believe there is only 1 person running a BT on an LCR