my sub frame is pissed

[Poverty]

Thats another £600

Oh well atleast it explains why my car pulls right when the steering wheel is straight.

Guy says its safe to drive and wont be the first person to be driving around with it. Says its only slightly bent but wont bend it back as it would stress it. Says I need a whole new rear suspension to fix it which would cost £600 or he could get me a part to compensate for it.

 

[justlivyalife]

Ouch that sounds expensive - not had much luck with this car have you .

I certainly wouldn't be considering selling it now if you're going to spend a further £600 on it, at least you know it's fixed right!!

 

[Poverty]

Yeah will deffo keep it now. Car is booked in with a car electrician today to get my audio equipment fitted. Gonna get my sub frame fixed in a week hopefully as thats pay day!

 

[justlivyalife]

Glad to hear it mate! I sold my 106 Quiksilver after spending about £600 fixing it, wish I hadn't to be honest! The Ibiza makes up for the 307 I had to replace it though .

 

[Poverty]

Glad to hear it mate! I sold my 106 Quiksilver after spending about £600 fixing it, wish I hadn't to be honest! The Ibiza makes up for the 307 I had to replace it though .

I lusted after a quicksilver back when I was younger.

Basically the garage has said that my rear wheel is out of toe by 1 degree hence my car slightly pulling right when the steering wheel is straight. He has however adjusted the tracking to compensate for this.

He says I have 3 options.

1.Leave it how it is.
2.Get specialised welders to weld something to it to make the wheel straight
3.Get the sub frame fixed

I think im gonna go for option 3 though

 

[skott101]

If you have some knowledge of how things go together, it really isn't a big job to change the rear axle. I did one about a month ago.
You'll need to get a pair of spring compressors and clamps for the brake line, other than that it's quite straight-forward. I got my old one off and the replacement on in a morning.
As for prices, i bought my rear beam off motorsinmotion on ebay who delivered it for £150 all in. I have seen second hand ones floating around ebay for as little as £60.

If you do have a crack at doing it yourself, PM me for any help you need. Other than that why not supply the rear beam for garage to fit?????

 

[Poverty]

If you have some knowledge of how things go together, it really isn't a big job to change the rear axle. I did one about a month ago.
You'll need to get a pair of spring compressors and clamps for the brake line, other than that it's quite straight-forward. I got my old one off and the replacement on in a morning.
As for prices, i bought my rear beam off motorsinmotion on ebay who delivered it for £150 all in. I have seen second hand ones floating around ebay for as little as £60.

If you do have a crack at doing it yourself, PM me for any help you need. Other than that why not supply the rear beam for garage to fit?????

Oh right thanks for the tips, could be saving me alot of money here. Will look into doing it myself but will most likely have to get someone to do it, but will look for some cheap parts

 

[techie]

On the MK4 Ibiza you dont need spring compressors. Just drop the axle down at the rear once undoing the damper bolts and the springs can be pulled out as they arent under tension.

 

[skott101]

It's probably a lot easier to do if you have a ramp and can get under the car properly, but i was working on a drive. I found that unless the springs were compressed, when it came to offering the new beam upto the chassis, the springs made alighning the bolt holes really tricky. When you compress them you can offer it upto the chassis and the bolts almost fall on!

 

[air121005]

Thats another £600

Oh well atleast it explains why my car pulls right when the steering wheel is straight.

Guy says its safe to drive and wont be the first person to be driving around with it. Says its only slightly bent but wont bend it back as it would stress it. Says I need a whole new rear suspension to fix it which would cost £600 or he could get me a part to compensate for it.

do you mean the engine subrame or the rear beam is bent?

 

[skott101]

It's the rear beam "I need a whole new rear suspension to fix it "

Having said that, the most likely cause of something like this is the car spinning out and kerbing the rear wheel, in which case, are you sure it's not just the stub axle that's bent and not the whole beam?

 

[muddyboots]

Having said that, the most likely cause of something like this is the car spinning out and kerbing the rear wheel, in which case, are you sure it's not just the stub axle that's bent and not the whole beam?

Would have thought that would cause camber to go out of spec, rather than toe. But you never know, depends if/how the wheel got hit.

I vaguely remember someone talking about being able to shim rear stub axles to correct problems like this.

 

[skott101]

I must admit i was thinking about something like that myself, but being realistic, you could spend a morning playing with shims to get it 'right' and drive it for a couple of k's and realise your tyres are shreaded. A couple of tyres will cost £200 so if you change the whole axle, not only do you know the car is actually tracking correctly, it's a saving of £50 on what the axle cost! Bargain!

 

[skott101]

i meant was the axle replacement would be £50 cheaper than 2 fooked tyres. God it's been a long morning

 

[Poverty]

do you mean the engine subrame or the rear beam is bent?

According to them its the rear beam/subframe. They called it a subframe!

Looking at both my rear wheels you can see that one is at a different angle to the other. The rear left (the one that got hit) looks like its pointing straight on. However for some reason its the rear right, the opposite side of which I ran into the kerb is pointing inwards towards the chassis. Im confused now as to which side is broken!

Had a look underneath the car and it doesnt seem all that much work to change the rear beam/sub frame as skott has said.

gonna get some second opinions/estimates on the car done though.

 

[Poverty]

Would have thought that would cause camber to go out of spec, rather than toe. But you never know, depends if/how the wheel got hit.

I vaguely remember someone talking about being able to shim rear stub axles to correct problems like this.

Yeah thats what the guy at the garage said. He told me he could put me in touch with someone that could shim it for me. Is this wise?

what exactly are shims. Am thinking along the same lines as skott that in the long run not getting the car fixed will be more expensive in tyre costs!

 

[air121005]

Yeah thats what the guy at the garage said. He told me he could put me in touch with someone that could shim it for me. Is this wise?

what exactly are shims. Am thinking along the same lines as skott that in the long run not getting the car fixed will be more expensive in tyre costs!

sounds like a bodge to me!

shims are pieces of metal (or any other material depending on the job at hand!) of various thickness' ranging from as thin as a rizzla to a brick etc depending on the "fcuk up" to be corrected that are wedged in gaps!

hence the term "fcuk up shims"!

 

[croakey]

when it comes to safety why risk it?

accept the facts (like it appears you have) that you made a mistake and ****ed up.

get it fixed properly..and dont do it again.

shims sound unsafe.... and its not you they might end up hurting...it could be someone else.

Amazing how much damage a little bump can cause in reality!

 

[Poverty]

sounds like a bodge to me!

shims are pieces of metal (or any other material depending on the job at hand!) of various thickness' ranging from as thin as a rizzla to a brick etc depending on the "fcuk up" to be corrected that are wedged in gaps!

hence the term "fcuk up shims"!

now I get ya, its something carpenters use when they fook their measurements up!

Gonna take it to two or 3 different alignment places and see what they say. The job doesnt look like it would take all that long at all if its teh subframe, so I can only imagine that the price for the part itself is pricey!

 

[air121005]

On the MK4 Ibiza you dont need spring compressors. Just drop the axle down at the rear once undoing the damper bolts and the springs can be pulled out as they arent under tension.

when i replaced the rear shocks and springs, i put the rear on axle stands then put the jack under the spring, raised a little to take the tension, undone the bolt and removed then lowered the jack and removed the spring!

repeat the other side, then i presume you you remove the bolts holding the rear beam on , reverse the process when refitting, job done!

i'm sure a techie can fill in the gaps if required!