Backdraft GT2860RS Ibiza Build

[nogutsnoglory]

Surely if theyre admitting a bad batch (if your clutch is one of them) they should be a bit more lenient, seeing that pic has already lost me as a potential customer and reading that they dont want to know that its knackered long before it should is enough to put anyone off buying them, you'd think if it was a one off they'd be trying to sort out asap for you.
Id spend your money elsewhere

 

[Andy Cotton]

We have never had one go from not using an oil restrictor (We do use them now anyway BTW). They can fail even when using an oil restrictor. It doesnt mean it was that that was the issue.


The point I'm making is about "After sales service" i.e there wasn't any.

Backdraft knew what I had and failed to inform me even when they knew I needed one. I am passing on information to somebody who may need it - that's all .

 

[IbizaAlex]

Im just saying that it probably wasnt not having the oil restrictor that blew up the turbo.

 

[RobDon]

I thought it was vital for a ball-bearing turbo to have a restrictor fitted? Do they not come as standard with one?

 

[nogutsnoglory]

alex whats the spool like for daily driving?

 

[nogutsnoglory]

I really like the sound of this kit, but if i'm honest i didnt like how it sits so high but with it being a top mounting mani and the downpipe being cast there isnt any other way, and it is starting to grow on me........just looking at hoochs setup i prefer the turbo being a bit more hidden.

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Also does the charge pipe have to reduce?

 

[h17och]

thats quite an old set up of mine and very very tight. hance why BD put theres high up.

dp isnt cast, they make it from stainless.

most compressor out lets are 50mm and mst boost piping is 60-63mm. hence why it has to be reduced.

even the pis above of my old set up is reduced

 

[nogutsnoglory]

sorry by cast i just meant like a template so cant be altered to lower it a bit

Its not as obvious a reduction on yours (i didnt notice lol) which im just saying i prefer the look of, not that theres anything wrong with it.

As i said its growing on me, but overall i think i'd prefer a more stealthy look

 

[IbizaAlex]

I always like to see a turbo for the wow factor. If you have spent the money then why not show it off. We are able to make the charge pipe slightly lower, but it means cutting at an angle and welding a small straight piece on. The way it is at the moment is the best flow from the turbo.

Just ask Hooch how much fun it was fitting the downpipe he had on the low slung turbo??!

The spool as great. Comes in about 3300 ish and i was using it as a daily.

 

[Ianb]

I thought it was vital for a ball-bearing turbo to have a restrictor fitted? Do they not come as standard with one?

Yes Rob, all Garrett Roller Bearing turbo's come with an internal oil restrictor.

Some people put an additional restrictor.

I cannot understand why someone has said that they don't have a restrictor and the reason for turbo failure was because it didn't have a restrictor.

If anything not having oil supply to the bearing cage would cause failure of the bearing cage assembly.

 

[Ianb]

I always like to see a turbo for the wow factor. If you have spent the money then why not show it off. We are able to make the charge pipe slightly lower, but it means cutting at an angle and welding a small straight piece on. The way it is at the moment is the best flow from the turbo.

Just ask Hooch how much fun it was fitting the downpipe he had on the low slung turbo??!

The spool as great. Comes in about 3300 ish and i was using it as a daily.

3300rpm ?? That's late Alex. The APR Stage 3+ on my bus is spooling well from just under 2500 rpm and hit's peak at just a smidge over 3000 rpm on their GT28RS configuration. Perhaps in all down to the pipework, FMIC and mapping

 

[Martin M]

Not sure if you know Alex, but I was flicking through Golf+ at lunch and saw a picture of your car in there.

 

[nogutsnoglory]

theres actually 2 as his car is on the tts advert too

 

[ibizacupra]

Yes Rob, all Garrett Roller Bearing turbo's come with an internal oil restrictor.

Some people put an additional restrictor.

I cannot understand why someone has said that they don't have a restrictor and the reason for turbo failure was because it didn't have a restrictor.

If anything not having oil supply to the bearing cage would cause failure of the bearing cage assembly.

internal to the bearing assembly on mine is a restrictor. Owens said I would not need one... but after hearing so many others needing them I have fitted one to mine. Checking oil flow even from the smaller of the 2 I have been sent (for the same application, 2 x different sizes) I opted for the smaller on.

On initial cranking my turbo from only 1500-200rpm takes getting on for a minute to stop rotating.
non-std bearings in mine. Owen Development motorsport bearings in metal cage not plastic garrett one (which is known to fail when running high temps and boost levels)

 

[Backdraft]

Oil Restrictor

We have never had one go from not using an oil restrictor (We do use them now anyway BTW). They can fail even when using an oil restrictor. It doesnt mean it was that that was the issue.

The point I'm making is about "After sales service" i.e there wasn't any.

Backdraft knew what I had and failed to inform me even when they knew I needed one. I am passing on information to somebody who may need it - that's all .

I hate to drag up old ground- But when you bought just our turbo and manifold with nuts and bolts for your Lotus Elise after I spent a whole day checking the fitment of our kit. You flatly refused to buy any other components off of us as you wanted to piece together all the other components yourself. You did well to get the car to do 8000miles!

You now have the cheek to post nearly 2 years later to say that your turbo blew up because we didnt supply you with an oil restrictor. You even asked me at one time for a price on a restrictor for your car but then didnt get it from us.

We have successfully fitted kits to lotus Elises since your car and they have worked fantastically well and yes we have fitted additional oil restrictors to all our GT2860RS and GT2871R applications since we have discovered that the internal restrictor isnt enough for the 1.8T oil pressure. The restrictor stops oil seeping into the compressor side at low revs and then produces smoke on start up. A bearing will fail because of no oil I've never heard of one going due to more oil!

I hope you feel embarrassed

Best Regards
Mark

 

[Ianb]

I agree with Mark's comments as I checked with APR regarding the oil restrictor issue as many on Vortex were fitting them. I haven't put one on my car as advised by APR but since the re build I find there is no oil smoke issue 'except' if the car sit's on idle for over 15-20 mins it can puff initially but is soon burnt off when driven.

Everyday usage is fine but it was worse prior to the rebuild due to worn valve stem oil seals.

Mark, do you offer a 'lifetime' warranty on your manifolds? It was something that really pusuaded me when Guy in Australia offered this on his APR manifold design for RHD configuration....gives peace of mind re cracking issues.

 

[Ianb]

internal to the bearing assembly on mine is a restrictor. Owens said I would not need one... but after hearing so many others needing them I have fitted one to mine. Checking oil flow even from the smaller of the 2 I have been sent (for the same application, 2 x different sizes) I opted for the smaller on.

On initial cranking my turbo from only 1500-200rpm takes getting on for a minute to stop rotating.
non-std bearings in mine. Owen Development motorsport bearings in metal cage not plastic garrett one (which is known to fail when running high temps and boost levels)

Bill

Do Owen offer uprated bearings on all Garrett applications?

Ian

 

[h17och]

im currently running a restrictor, is it worth trying it without to see?

HoocH

 

[DPJ]

im currently running a restrictor, is it worth trying it without to see?

HoocH

why?

 

[h17och]

if its not needed id rather not restrict the oil...