njs74
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Thinking of getting revo stage one put on my 06 plate TFSI, just wondered about what it does to insurance premiums and runnings cost eg. petrol.
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ben_bones
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iv just had mine done, not planning on telling insurance, and as for petrol, the say its ment to give you one or two more mpg but if your anything like me and you have that extra power there, ull wana use it!
biggriff
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I would tell them, otherwise you are uninsured.
Posting on here that you are having it done is not wise if you dont intend to inform your insuer. I could go into work, get onto the insurance industry database and put a note on your record. (Not that I would) but insuers trawl websites as well (I know).
Posting on here that you are having it done is not wise if you dont intend to inform your insuer. I could go into work, get onto the insurance industry database and put a note on your record. (Not that I would) but insuers trawl websites as well (I know).
njs74
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I would always tell them, insurance companies will find anyway not to pay a claim. touch wood I have never made a claim yet.
Would not insure my car with Adrian Flux cost to much try RAC.
RAC will do remapped cars at a very good rate when I got a quote from the RAC it was £200 cheaper than Adrian Flux, will get mine remapped when my insurance is do as it will be better to get a new insurance than change half way through as my car insurance comp won't touch remaps.
RAC will do remapped cars at a very good rate when I got a quote from the RAC it was £200 cheaper than Adrian Flux, will get mine remapped when my insurance is do as it will be better to get a new insurance than change half way through as my car insurance comp won't touch remaps.
RAC are quite a lot for me- £790/year. Maybe I live in a high risk area- I don't have any points etc. With an engine remap their quote goes up to £930. I found elephant much cheaper (about half to two thirds the price). The engine mod did put the annual cost up quite a bit still though.
I didn't bother to mod- by the time you pay for the mod, potentially plus uprated parts and insurance it starts to look pretty expensive.
That doesn't mean I don't keep thinking about doing it though
I didn't bother to mod- by the time you pay for the mod, potentially plus uprated parts and insurance it starts to look pretty expensive.
That doesn't mean I don't keep thinking about doing it though
njs74
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I am insured with Tesco, I only have £100 excess, no claims protection, all the boxes ticked , for 14,000 miles, personal and business use and only pay £480 fully comp.
dannyuk
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A simple read-out from the ECU via the diagnostic connector and they will know. The same method you use to re-program it can be used to read it. I'm afraid the claims of it being impossible to tell are bullshit.
If I can do it so can the insurers.
Well, my job is designing vehicle diagnostics equipment, so we hae all the kit, and a team of software experts. I will find out if I'm allowed to tell you how exactly.
If you think what the Revo switch does when it loads the original map back in, it has to have read it from your ECU as it doesn't just put their default map back in like the demo version does. So I am told anyway.
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Thats not quite how Revo works.
For long enough, it was necessary for a dealer to remove an ECU to read it in its entirety to see something other than the stock file was on there.
I heard from a reliable source that it is possible to inspect an ECU for code like you suggested via dealer diagnostic equipment connected back to the Technical HQ building now. That being said, I have not had this confirmed from other VW/Audi/SEAT people I know.
For long enough, it was necessary for a dealer to remove an ECU to read it in its entirety to see something other than the stock file was on there.
I heard from a reliable source that it is possible to inspect an ECU for code like you suggested via dealer diagnostic equipment connected back to the Technical HQ building now. That being said, I have not had this confirmed from other VW/Audi/SEAT people I know.
OK, so the Revo Switch does the same as the demo and loads their "standard" map back in instead? Not what I was told, but makes sense.
My collegue knows more than I do, but the remap is done via pass-trhough-programming, which is the same method the dealers use to update ECU firmware. I beleive that as part of this you are able to do a checksum which can be compared with what is supposed to be in there, which as you say would require checking with VAG, but not beyond the realms of an insurer. No ECU removal as far as I am aware.
We do have the proper VAG dealer kit.
I will confirm this for you tomorrow.
OK, spoke to a couple of collegues who know more about that side (I just design the electonic bits). Apparently I am wrong, the proper VAG kit cannot tell, and it is not done through pass-through-programming. However there are several bits of kit (easily available on Ebay, but I have been asked not to to you exactly what) which can easily read the FLASH image from the ECU. This is how the remap guys get the start code for doing their rempas. A lot of the remaps e.g. Custom Code and Superchipss will read the image out which is used to determine which exact remap is required, hence why you have to wait for the code. My collegue is fairly certain that the Revo switch does put your original code back in.
We have at least 2 pieces of kit that can read out a FLASH image, all we would need is a copy of an original (not hard to obtain), and compare the 2 and it will soon be obvious it has changed.
Like I said, if a small company like us has the means then a big insurance company will have access to the means and the experts.
People used to think that the insurers could not tell things like camshafts changes etc, but if there was a big accident and they were suspicious they would take the engine apart and check. Checking for remap (especially on cars on which it is quite common) is much easier for them.
We have at least 2 pieces of kit that can read out a FLASH image, all we would need is a copy of an original (not hard to obtain), and compare the 2 and it will soon be obvious it has changed.
Like I said, if a small company like us has the means then a big insurance company will have access to the means and the experts.
People used to think that the insurers could not tell things like camshafts changes etc, but if there was a big accident and they were suspicious they would take the engine apart and check. Checking for remap (especially on cars on which it is quite common) is much easier for them.
To add to this, several of the remap dealers offer the service of keeping a copy of your original map to put back in if you ever need it, they have to have read it to do this. Again if they can your insurer can.
The only grey area is what power gain you claim. As noted elsewhere the stock power seesm to vary quite a bit so it is hard to put a figure on what gain you get.
The only grey area is what power gain you claim. As noted elsewhere the stock power seesm to vary quite a bit so it is hard to put a figure on what gain you get.
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