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Nightmare - any ideas?
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Guys
Thanks for the all replies, its really appreciated. Its great to bounce things off people with a similar mind set.
Options at present are;
1) Burn it - not something I'm willing to do. Would love to but, in all honestly, I've not got the balls. To further prevent this from happening, I've ready spoken with insurance company to see if I could claim fo the engine failure, which I can't, so would be too obvious
2) Sell the car as it is - this would be a favoured option but without knowing how much I'd get for it I can't start doing the maths. Could you anyone help here?
3) Sell the car in bits - get it back to my house, stick it in the garage and get the socket set out. Sell via here, Ebay, etc and recoupe some of the money. I work long hours so this would be a right pain but a possibility
4) Continue to pester Seat - this will be done regardless to the best of my abilities. I just hope that they see how much I loved this car, and my previous FR TDI, and the 'brand'. I've even been to the local Seat garage today to see what they had on the forecourt
5) Fit a new engine - if I do keep the car this would be the favoured option. As has been said, if I keep it for 3-4 years (which would be possible) the loss would be spread. By having a new engine I could (I hope) be confident that the car would be back to where it was prior to the fault, which is genuinely reliable
6) Fit a recon - I really wouldn't want to keep the car if this was done. I just wouldn't be confident in the engine and would be worried about a similar problem, or another, in the future. If I did fit a recon, I could sell it straight away but this would massively devalue the car, so I've pretty much ruled this one out.
7) Try and repair the existing engine - I spoke with my mate, the mechanic, earlier and he says the bottom end has siezed but he and the garage are not sure why yet. They are yet to take the head off and I'm pretty sure I'm going to incur the cost of them doing this to determine if it can be repaired. My thinking here is that if the existing engine can be repaired, even if its still £4k+, then I'd be able to sell the car at a later date without admitting such work has been done. Ok, not ideal for the new owner but this would be probably part ex'd through a dealer and end up in an auction.
8) Do either point 2 or 3, then buy another car. I honestly preferred the mark one anyway and my last FR TDI mark one was lovely. I only bought this one as at the time I needed to change my car every 5 years for work, this has since changed and been extended. I could buy a 55 plate mark one for say £5 or £6k, get a couple back on my existing one, and overall only be £4k worse off.
So, what do people think? Have I missed anything? Anyone give me a guage for what I can expect from point 2 or 3
Thanks again!!
Thanks for the all replies, its really appreciated. Its great to bounce things off people with a similar mind set.
Options at present are;
1) Burn it - not something I'm willing to do. Would love to but, in all honestly, I've not got the balls. To further prevent this from happening, I've ready spoken with insurance company to see if I could claim fo the engine failure, which I can't, so would be too obvious
2) Sell the car as it is - this would be a favoured option but without knowing how much I'd get for it I can't start doing the maths. Could you anyone help here?
3) Sell the car in bits - get it back to my house, stick it in the garage and get the socket set out. Sell via here, Ebay, etc and recoupe some of the money. I work long hours so this would be a right pain but a possibility
4) Continue to pester Seat - this will be done regardless to the best of my abilities. I just hope that they see how much I loved this car, and my previous FR TDI, and the 'brand'. I've even been to the local Seat garage today to see what they had on the forecourt
5) Fit a new engine - if I do keep the car this would be the favoured option. As has been said, if I keep it for 3-4 years (which would be possible) the loss would be spread. By having a new engine I could (I hope) be confident that the car would be back to where it was prior to the fault, which is genuinely reliable
6) Fit a recon - I really wouldn't want to keep the car if this was done. I just wouldn't be confident in the engine and would be worried about a similar problem, or another, in the future. If I did fit a recon, I could sell it straight away but this would massively devalue the car, so I've pretty much ruled this one out.
7) Try and repair the existing engine - I spoke with my mate, the mechanic, earlier and he says the bottom end has siezed but he and the garage are not sure why yet. They are yet to take the head off and I'm pretty sure I'm going to incur the cost of them doing this to determine if it can be repaired. My thinking here is that if the existing engine can be repaired, even if its still £4k+, then I'd be able to sell the car at a later date without admitting such work has been done. Ok, not ideal for the new owner but this would be probably part ex'd through a dealer and end up in an auction.
8) Do either point 2 or 3, then buy another car. I honestly preferred the mark one anyway and my last FR TDI mark one was lovely. I only bought this one as at the time I needed to change my car every 5 years for work, this has since changed and been extended. I could buy a 55 plate mark one for say £5 or £6k, get a couple back on my existing one, and overall only be £4k worse off.
So, what do people think? Have I missed anything? Anyone give me a guage for what I can expect from point 2 or 3
Thanks again!!
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Thank goodness you're unable to do the illegal thing some moron on here suggested. I for one would not wish my insurance premium to rise because of fraudulent claims such as that!
Good luck with whichever (legal) option you persue.
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I wouldn't set fire to it, my self.
You may get caught so the. Hav no car or money, an my even face prison.
I would shove a second hand engine in it, bring it to a garage an p.x it. Make it a seat dealer ship an jobs a good one. Then they will have the lemon bk
You may get caught so the. Hav no car or money, an my even face prison.
I would shove a second hand engine in it, bring it to a garage an p.x it. Make it a seat dealer ship an jobs a good one. Then they will have the lemon bk
But am I not committing a crime by not notifying them that its got a second hand engine in? If I do notify them it has a second had engine I expect trade in prices to be pants!
**** them mate. Have they offered to help you out? No. I'd get a recon engine and trade it in if I wasn't going to sell the bits off it.
They wouldn't notice the engine until the serviced it. When I traded my old car in they hardly inspected it.
Good luck with whatever option u go for. None of them are anything that i would want to have to do.
I'll second that. Idiotic suggestion by an idiot.
Hope it works out for you mate - fixing the current engine would be the best option and I don't see why it should devalue the car - it's just like any other fix you might have done to a car.
Good luck.
Thanks, right now this would be my preferred option, subject to damage and cost. The garage are reluctant though as they claim they won't offer a guarantee for the work. On one hand I can understand this, from my days of playing with engines years ago, but at the same time if I pay the going rate for the work and they use Seat/VW parts I can't see why they shouldn't offer a guarantee.
If I could fix it, with a guarantee, I'd keep it.
I still can't believe it!
I agree - get it repaired / replaced the cheapest way possible (a engine with high miles) & chuck it in as px.
I'm sure you'll beable to get the engine swapped for under 2k (a lot of ringing maybe involved). Take it to a main dealer & px..... 7-8K + 4k = 12k & you'll get a newer motor in warranty.
I'd rather spend the 6k doing this, rather than on a new engine!
Exactly mate. Also, if you feel guilty about trading it in with a dodgy engine just say u didn't know as you bought it privately
. They will find it as soon as they service it, but you will be long gone by then.
As for option 2, I can only imagine some sort of crazy ex car mechanic with a spare engine lying about would want to buy a broken car to be honest
A mechanic who regards his time as an investment rather than a cost may prefer this. They may be able to buy a crash write-off and combine the two into one working whole.
jzr
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Bung engine it in an bomb it off to a garage, don't tell them a thing. I had a zafira gsi it went through 6 turbos in 12 mths( thank god I had warranty ). local vauxhall garage couldn't fix it was told by them just git rid of it. Much to my dis belief. So I went to my local Audi garage an p.x it. They didn't care they walked round it an that was that. Next day it went up the line bye bye gsi.
Keep an eye out o. eBay, when I was looking at astra Sri cdti there was a whole engine with 12k on it from a parts place 1200 with best offer as well. So would cost less than 2k.
Most people p.x there cars as there's faults with them
Keep an eye out o. eBay, when I was looking at astra Sri cdti there was a whole engine with 12k on it from a parts place 1200 with best offer as well. So would cost less than 2k.
Most people p.x there cars as there's faults with them
IANAL, but the principle of Caveat Emptor ("let the buyer beware") applies; someone buying from you (as a private seller) has to make their own enquiries, and provided you don't lie when asked a direct question, the goods are 'sold as seen'.
Well either repair it or a second hand engine if the repairs or replacement is done properly no one would ever know and it would drive aswell as before.
If a garage repairs it they have to give warranty on their work. Pretty sure its law.
If someone competent repairs or replaces the engine there would be no need to get rid would there?
I bet lots of us have bought cars only a year or so old that have previously had engine repairs and you never know if its done right.
Also the 2nd hand engine route most garages that change engines out of warranty don't update the engine number on the v5 anyway.
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If a garage repairs it they have to give warranty on their work. Pretty sure its law.
If someone competent repairs or replaces the engine there would be no need to get rid would there?
I bet lots of us have bought cars only a year or so old that have previously had engine repairs and you never know if its done right.
Also the 2nd hand engine route most garages that change engines out of warranty don't update the engine number on the v5 anyway.
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I would repair it.
At least you know it's still the same engine, you know it's history and it's the less stressful option.
At least you know it's still the same engine, you know it's history and it's the less stressful option.
If its seized then it would be crank pistons rods oil pump and that's if the bores are ok.
Second hand motor is the best option. The engine needs to be removed to remove the crank anyway.
Save on labour pop another motor in with new cambelt and off you go.
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Second hand motor is the best option. The engine needs to be removed to remove the crank anyway.
Save on labour pop another motor in with new cambelt and off you go.
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Just read your whole thread and would like to say i'm gutted for you mate.
I would speak to a Official Seat garage and ask how many hours it would take to remove the cylinder head (most garages have fixed pricing based on x amount of hours required) even for massive jobs.
Speak to the garage and instruct them to remove the head for inspection this will be enough to determine if the engine is completely ruined or if its repairable, i would imagine 3-4 hours so expect a guidline of 350-500 quid.
The problem at the moment is you have no idea if its really knackered or not, could it be something like the injectors knackered and filled the cylinder with fuel and now its hydraulic'd.
OR..
Have the garage tried to turn the crank over backwards - i.e does it move at all before it reaches top dead centre of the affected piston.
I'm not too familiar with the modern diesels but is there anyway to take the inlet manifold off or injector out and get an endoscope to look into the cylinder.
Chin up mate even if the engine is knackered there are real bargains on ebay, there are companies that can supply and fit engines.
What engine code is it ?? there is a new engine for £2.5k for a dsg car.
I would speak to a Official Seat garage and ask how many hours it would take to remove the cylinder head (most garages have fixed pricing based on x amount of hours required) even for massive jobs.
Speak to the garage and instruct them to remove the head for inspection this will be enough to determine if the engine is completely ruined or if its repairable, i would imagine 3-4 hours so expect a guidline of 350-500 quid.
The problem at the moment is you have no idea if its really knackered or not, could it be something like the injectors knackered and filled the cylinder with fuel and now its hydraulic'd.
OR..
Have the garage tried to turn the crank over backwards - i.e does it move at all before it reaches top dead centre of the affected piston.
I'm not too familiar with the modern diesels but is there anyway to take the inlet manifold off or injector out and get an endoscope to look into the cylinder.
Chin up mate even if the engine is knackered there are real bargains on ebay, there are companies that can supply and fit engines.
What engine code is it ?? there is a new engine for £2.5k for a dsg car.
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