Spark Plugs - Revo Stage 1

[Alexanderrr]

Was searching for this but didn't find the answer i'm looking for.

Is it 100% neccesary to change the stock spark plugs?

I'm running Stage 1 now and somethimes my cars feels like an 85HP ibiza when using the throttle. Yesterday i was doing 0-150 at the highway and the cars just stops puling at 150. Didn't go any further.

Its in the video at 02:13 but not really clear
POV Seat Ibiza FR - YouTube

 

[negy]

liking the video very much hahah
i need to get saving and get mine remaped !

 

[Beazy]

The consensus seems to be that bkr7eix 2667's are the way to go on a stage one map. Most people leave them on the stock gap (0.65mm).

 

[lucifer666]

I recommend going to 0.6. My car misfired like a pig before these plugs

 

[Alexanderrr]

By the way. I never got misfires. Only once with stock map.

 

[Beazy]

I recommend going to 0.6. My car misfired like a pig before these plugs

Im on .55mm and get the odd one at redline but very rarely go over 6800. The plugs weren't that great at stock gap for me either.

 

[Jay1990]

Im using w.e seat put in my Cupra after its soft misfire. Not had any more misfires. Even at high RPM where Im making similar power to the REVO maps, I maybe a lucky one though for now.

Negy, pop up to leeds I'll show you mine

But a stage1 car shoudnt stop accelerating after 150/93mph thats more like standard behaviour

Jay

 

[lucifer666]

think your not getting misfiring because of lower boost than the revo map, according to apr which have a hybrid its when boost is increased to 20psi and over you start getting misfiring, the engine dosent like high boost levels. revo vairy their boost levels on the updated map when its sensed misfiring is about to occur. works well though hats off

 

[Jay1990]

I know but Its like 0.4 psi off. Standard they dont boost that far and still get misfires. Glad its working well though now.

 

[lucifer666]

with standard plugs and original softwar yes they do misfire, but I have yet to see someone with the updated software and updated plugs with on standard map having misfires.

E.g mine misfired to begin with, updated oem software+new revised oem plugs and car was perfect. Put revos new intelligent boost map on and the misfiring came back, changed to the shorter colder ones and it was perfect.

peak 0.4? what about from peak to redline? Do you have a boost vs rpm chart, would be interesting to see how they are keeping your torque standard with stage 1 bhp whilst running almost the same boost

 

[Beazy]

think your not getting misfiring because of lower boost than the revo map, according to apr which have a hybrid its when boost is increased to 20psi and over you start getting misfiring, the engine dosent like high boost levels. revo vairy their boost levels on the updated map when its sensed misfiring is about to occur. works well though hats off

I make 24psi at 3700ish and gradually fall down to 18 at redline. My car only misfires after 6700/6800 in third and fourth, i can redline 5th with no issues.

Losing 200rpm is no biggie though.


Im guessing jabbas map isn't as aggressive as apr/revo which is why Jay isn't having any issues.

 

[lucifer666]

I make 24psi at 3700ish and gradually fall down to 18 at redline. My car only misfires after 6700/6800 in third and fourth, i can redline 5th with no issues.

Losing 200rpm is no biggie though.


Im guessing jabbas map isn't as aggressive as apr/revo which is why Jay isn't having any issues.

Bloody hell, what map are you using, i peak at 22psi, 19psi until around 5k and then slowly drops to about 15-16 at redline.
If its the revo map, is it their latest one?
If so, it proves that my car is still prone to the misfiring and boost is actually being cut by the map, so either my plugs need changing or there is infact blowby occuring or my turbo is more damaged than i thought.

Was your boost logged on a dyno?

 

[Beazy]

Im running the APR stage 1 file. I've logged boost on 98 mode but only have a boost overlay from 95mode on a dyno. I'll dig it out when I get to work!

 

[Beazy]

Bloody hell, what map are you using, i peak at 22psi, 19psi until around 5k and then slowly drops to about 15-16 at redline.
If its the revo map, is it their latest one?
If so, it proves that my car is still prone to the misfiring and boost is actually being cut by the map, so either my plugs need changing or there is infact blowby occuring or my turbo is more damaged than i thought.

Was your boost logged on a dyno?

Im running the APR stage 1 file. I've logged boost on 98 mode but only have a boost overlay from 95mode on a dyno. I'll dig it out when I get to work!

As requested the 95mode graph.


Car is a totally different animal on 98 though, had to run it on 95 due to the spark plug gap.

 

[Big-Pete]

As requested the 95mode graph.


Car is a totally different animal on 98 though, had to run it on 95 due to the spark plug gap.

that tourqe drops off alot! turbo running out of puff?

 

[negy]

Im using w.e seat put in my Cupra after its soft misfire. Not had any more misfires. Even at high RPM where Im making similar power to the REVO maps, I maybe a lucky one though for now.

Negy, pop up to leeds I'll show you mine

But a stage1 car shoudnt stop accelerating after 150/93mph thats more like standard behaviour

Jay

okay, if am up that way sometime soon ill let you know

 

[lucifer666]

i think this is why your having misfires, its running 2psi more than mine accross the entire range, and im stage 2. Hence why your torque is around 20lb/ft more than mine.

I would love to know how much boost revo were running originally, the original map was very fast just as stage 1,

Looking at your torque again i think it does tail off alot after 4k which is the part of the rpm you use most should be doing a wot run say down the strip, so i think revo have traded off low mid range torqe for higher gains and more constant torque.

Although looking at my stage 1 graph aprs has 50lbft torqe more than the revo and the difference gradually decreases to 10bhp at redline.

Do you know anyone with apr stage 2 graphs?

 

[Beazy]

that tourqe drops off alot! turbo running out of puff?

Still makes 200ftlbs at 5.5k, it's the charger that gives you all the torque really. Turbo only properly comes to life at 3500 so it's not out of steam.



The fact it's only a 1.4 is why the torque is falling off.

 

[Big-Pete]

Still makes 200ftlbs at 5.5k, it's the charger that gives you all the torque really. Turbo only properly comes to life at 3500 so it's not out of steam.



The fact it's only a 1.4 is why the torque is falling off.

look at the graph the turbo "should" make more tourqe then the charger. at 4000 it just tails off intercooled???

 

[lucifer666]

I think it looks like its tailing off alot but its because mid range is alot more than the revo stage 1, remember this is only a stage 1 map