Media player problem

[Irrelevant]

Hi , I am having a bit of an issue with the media player in a Cupra Ateca. I can put a USB in with hundreds of mp3 files on it but no matter what settings i try the media player will only play the same few files over and over again. I have also tried making an m3u playlist but the player just comes up with a message saying no playable media found.
Would anyone have any ideas how I can get it to random play tracks from all available on the USB stick?

 

[Tell]

Hi , I am having a bit of an issue with the media player in a Cupra Ateca. I can put a USB in with hundreds of mp3 files on it but no matter what settings i try the media player will only play the same few files over and over again. I have also tried making an m3u playlist but the player just comes up with a message saying no playable media found.
Would anyone have any ideas how I can get it to random play tracks from all available on the USB stick?

Is that a face lifted one. E.g.. mib3 or mib2.?.

On mib2 I play them from the file menu, you can play them from the tagged file data. There is also a limit on the number of files you can have in each directory. Since it isn't a PC or Mac it just doesn't see beyond that limit so won't play the files. Some people get over this by splitting the files into subdirectories so they don't go over the limit. I only use FLAC so unlike mp3 I keep in those limits so I don't have that issue. Might be @Seriously? Who had that scheme. Someone did.

Hit the limit at 1,000 so if indexed you wont see anything above that. Then you have limits on the filename. See mib2 limits:

I seem to recall the mib3 limits are relaxed. Worth checking the manual if it's one of them. Mib2 is an old style program with list pointers and stuff. I wrote programs like that many moons ago. The array is a fixed declared length so you run out of puff which is the mib2 limits.

Mib3 conversation here:

Media Issues (or user error)

HI Just got a 2021 Cupra Ateca, C&S happy with it so far, bit different from my Scirocco R, certainly has a few more toys, one thing I can not seem to work out is how to play music files, On the Scirocco I just put them on a sd, put them in the slot and it played easily, Is there a SD or USB...

www.seatcupra.net

That was more about album art. mib2 if you want it you can drop your own 500x500 call cover.jpg. One per folder. Observe folder limits for mib2. File name limits etc. The issue is when people drop all their mp3s into one directory or it trips on file name limits. Those limits above. Start small and test.

 

[Irrelevant]

Thanks for all the info.
I have checked the manual I have and all it says after giving a list of the file types it can play is:
● Playlists on any type of device.
● Multimedia streaming (online*).
● Multimedia search
Nothing about a limit of files or playlist size.
Though I am well under 1000 files and the playlists I have tried making are always around 4Kb , I have tried the files all in the root directory of the USB and leaving them in the artists folders but no difference.
The car is an 07 plate and I haven't found anything out about the mib* stuff yet.

 

[Tell]

07 plate ?. That's not a Cupra Ateca with that plate. 2020 is mib3 year. 2015 is the first of mib2. Mib1 2010 etc. I pass on what was fitted to 07 RDS things.

If Cupra Ateca the FL one's from 2020 on have mib3, prior mib2 since that the period. SD card slots mib2 in the glove box. mib3 usb C. How you tell. ExFat for the big media above 32gb. Fat32 below. Do a disk check on the media in case it's got corrupted. NTFS is really for conventional hard disk drives and PCs.

As said you got those published mib2 limits that people hit if they pile all the files in one place or / and have long directory paths. Mib3 I think that's sorted out now. If mib3 reckon that's a media issue. Reformat to exFat.

Test with a few files then build up.

 

[Seriously?]

Is that a face lifted one. E.g.. mib3 or mib2.?.

On mib2 I play them from the file menu, you can play them from the tagged file data. There is also a limit on the number of files you can have in each directory. Since it isn't a PC or Mac it just doesn't see beyond that limit so won't play the files. Some people get over this by splitting the files into subdirectories so they don't go over the limit. I only use FLAC so unlike mp3 I keep in those limits so I don't have that issue. Might be @Seriously? Who had that scheme. Someone did.

Hit the limit at 1,000 so if indexed you wont see anything above that. Then you have limits on the filename. See mib2 limits:

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I seem to recall the mib3 limits are relaxed. Worth checking the manual if it's one of them. Mib2 is an old style program with list pointers and stuff. I wrote programs like that many moons ago. The array is a fixed declared length so you run out of puff which is the mib2 limits.

Mib3 conversation here:

Media Issues (or user error)

HI Just got a 2021 Cupra Ateca, C&S happy with it so far, bit different from my Scirocco R, certainly has a few more toys, one thing I can not seem to work out is how to play music files, On the Scirocco I just put them on a sd, put them in the slot and it played easily, Is there a SD or USB...

www.seatcupra.net

That was more about album art. mib2 if you want it you can drop your own 500x500 call cover.jpg. One per folder. Observe folder limits for mib2. File name limits etc. The issue is when people drop all their mp3s into one directory or it trips on file name limits. Those limits above. Start small and test.

Sorry Tell, it wasn't me. I have trouble remembering that my Compact Cassettes don't work in a CD player?‍

 

[Irrelevant]

Sorry, 70 plate.
I have been trying a 32 gig USB C drive and an 8 gig USB A with a C adapter both on FAT32. The player doesn't seem to bother about the 256 character file name limit as it is playing some tracks with longer names and it displays them on the screen.
The only thing I have come up with so far is to change the USB sticks occasionally as the player chooses a different group of files to play then.
Is the mlb a software version or something, the system info on the player says: Hardware H56, Software 0804 but thats about it and it must be up to date as the update option is not doing much.

 

[Tell]

Sorry, 70 plate.
I have been trying a 32 gig USB C drive and an 8 gig USB A with a C adapter both on FAT32. The player doesn't seem to bother about the 256 character file name limit as it is playing some tracks with longer names and it displays them on the screen.
The only thing I have come up with so far is to change the USB sticks occasionally as the player chooses a different group of files to play then.
Is the mlb a software version or something, the system info on the player says: Hardware H56, Software 0804 but thats about it and it must be up to date as the update option is not doing much.

Hmmm could try the Leon 4 side of the board or Formentor side where most of the mib3 people are I reckon. Not sure whether @East Yorkshire Retrofits might have come across the issue. No Mac involved ?. If so you could try Cleanmydrive on the usb after the copy. That removes additional characters that Macs add to files. Feasible that it might not take too kindly of those. That might be clasping at straws.

 

[Irrelevant]

OK, thanks, no mac just windozy.

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

Sorry, 70 plate.
I have been trying a 32 gig USB C drive and an 8 gig USB A with a C adapter both on FAT32. The player doesn't seem to bother about the 256 character file name limit as it is playing some tracks with longer names and it displays them on the screen.
The only thing I have come up with so far is to change the USB sticks occasionally as the player chooses a different group of files to play then.
Is the mlb a software version or something, the system info on the player says: Hardware H56, Software 0804 but thats about it and it must be up to date as the update option is not doing much.

0841 is the latest, that's not how the update function works

MIB3 software updates SEAT/Cupra

Seat MIB3 software updates

eastyorkshireretrofits.co.uk

As for wether that will affect what you've mentioned above, I don't think I've seen it mentioned in the release notes. It does improve full link massively though, amongst a tonne of other things

 

[emarsh7]

I have a 2018 Seat Ateca Xcellence with the premium sound system. Currently I have about 13,300 tracks in my collection. I've organized them in the file system as genre->artist->album the copied them to flash drives/sd cards. This works as expected on my Ateca. However I'm having failures as described above on my new Raval. I find it highly annoying to park the car and when I return to it find that it's forgotten what I was listening to. I can listen to my collection on Android Auto but when I do so the sound is degraded. I would buy a decent media player on the Cupra Store if one were available. Frankly if I had known that this problem exists I might have at least looked at an alternative such as a id.Polo when I was shopping around.

 

[Tell]

I have a 2018 Seat Ateca Xcellence with the premium sound system. Currently I have about 13,300 tracks in my collection. I've organized them in the file system as genre->artist->album the copied them to flash drives/sd cards. This works as expected on my Ateca. However I'm having failures as described above on my new Raval. I find it highly annoying to park the car and when I return to it find that it's forgotten what I was listening to. I can listen to my collection on Android Auto but when I do so the sound is degraded. I would buy a decent media player on the Cupra Store if one were available. Frankly if I had known that this problem exists I might have at least looked at an alternative such as a id.Polo when I was shopping around.

Feels like a teething problem. Nobody as yet has taken a delivery of a RHD Raval in the UK. Not sure whether the LHD demo models doing the rounds of dealers has stopped but something to try out by anyone.

Maybe there is a setting where you can adjust it on restart. Is it true that the id Polo remembers where you are but this doesn't?. Spanish boards thing ?.

Mib2 standard and high had a depth of directory structure you could have. Is the infotainment manual a bit light on what the Raval one is ?. You could try a CD type of one with 16 tracks or something on a USB. See whether it remembers that. If not you will know it's not a depth thing and a new limit that we don't know (yet).

The mib2 ones were these:

– Playlists in the formats M3U, PLS, ASX and WPL.
– Playlists must not exceed 20 kB or more than 1000 entries.
– Filenames and paths that do not exceed 256 characters.
– For DVD, a maximum of 1000 files per storage device and directory.
– For memory cards, a maximum of 4000 files and a maximum of 1000 files per directory.
– For Jukebox (SSD) a maximum of 3000 files. (mib2 high only)

If the limits were broken it didn't see beyond the end. On these AAOS system does it do something weird if the limits exceeded. That test above on just a few tracks would reveal.

 

[emarsh7]

Feels like a teething problem. Nobody as yet has take a delivery of a RHD Raval in the UK. Not sure whether the LHD demo models doing the rounds of dealers has stopped but something to try out by any one.

May be there is a setting where you can adjust it on restart. Is it true that the id Polo remembers where you are but this doesn't?. Spanish boards thing ?.

Mib2 standard and high had a depth of directory structure you could have. Is the infotainment manual a bit light on what the Raval one is ?. You could try a CD type of one with 16 tracks or something on a USB. See whether it remembers that. If not you will know it's not a depth thing and a new limit that we don't know (yet).

Man, I really hope it is just a teething problem. I've done about everything I can to find a solution, including wiping hidden files from the filesystem and even wiping the track metadata. So far no joy.

My Raval is really a nice little car but as you can guess I'm kind of an audiophile (hence the 13k+ tracks in my collection) and I really expect it to just work. It's not an unreasonable expectation.

 

[Tell]

Yes the pseudo immersion surround sound on the Sennheiser system sounded really great in the Raval although I did have to point out to one poster it wasn't Dolby Atmos, so a subscription to Amazon for Atmos wasn't going to give you Atmos in a Cupra.... me being picky.

They have rolled that out in Smart cars the full Atmos sound.... also an audiophile with a home cinema system so have to master the sound fields (dolby digital 5.1, 7.1, DTS, TrueHD etc) and the video play back. HDR, Dolby Vision etc . Look for the material that ticks both boxes. Unfortunately the BBC do UHD their NHK / BBC HDR broadcast standard but not dolby digital surround (just AAC 2.0 on their internet playout) or you can have HD but with full dolby digital (poor picture) via sat.

They won't invest in an iPlayer internet delivered dolby surround system unlike other streamers. You have to wait for other streamers to show BBC material which is made in dolby digital surround and 4k, probably 8k. Dr Who and the like. Like Wimbledon you could watch in 4k but ropey audio, or HD with surround. You want quality on both.

 

[emarsh7]

Yes the pseudo immersion surround sound on the Sennheiser system sounded really great in the Raval although I did have to point out to one poster it wasn't Dolby Atmos, so a subscription to Amazon for Atmos wasn't going to give you Atmos in a Cupra.... me being picky.

They have rolled that out in Smart cars the full Atmos sound.... also an audiophile with a home cinema system so have to master the sound fields (dolby digital 5.1, 7.1, DTS, TrueHD etc) and the video play back. HDR, Dolby Vision etc . Look for the material that ticks both boxes. Unfortunately the BBC do UHD their NHK / BBC HDR broadcast standard but not dolby digital surround (just AAC 2.0 on their internet playout) or you can have HD but with full dolby digital (poor picture) via sat.

They won't invest in an iPlayer internet delivered dolby surround system unlike other streamers. You have to wait for other streamers to show BBC material which is made in dolby digital surround and 4k, probably 8k. Dr Who and the like. Like Wimbledon you could watch in 4k but ropey audio, or HD with surround. You want quality on both.

Those kind of sophisticated system would be great but at this point I'd be happy with something that reliably remembers that I was half way through track 13 of Turandot when I get back in my car after a stop at the story.

 

[Tell]

Those kind of sophisticated system would be great but at this point I'd be happy with something that reliably remembers that I was half way through track 13 of Turandot when I get back in my car after a stop at the story.

Audi are suppose to have pilotted AAOS so you might find some talk about it.

Doing a Google... early audio seems to be a thing

EarlyAudio in Android Automotive | Blogs

EarlyAudio in Android Automotive | Blogs

www.neurealm.com

Suppose to be some handshaking or you wait upto 60 seconds . Perhaps that isn't implemented very well.

 

[emarsh7]

Audi are suppose to have pilotted AAOS so you might find some talk about it.

Doing a Google... early audio seems to be a thing

EarlyAudio in Android Automotive | Blogs

EarlyAudio in Android Automotive | Blogs

www.neurealm.com

Suppose to be some handshaking or you wait upto 60 seconds . Perhaps that isn't implemented very well.

Chasing down that rabbit hole I saw Exoplayer referenced so I dug into it. Looks like it's just a standard Linux media player like VLC. I could live with it if I could install it. But it looks like Cupra has decided that the future is streaming so they have created friction for those who don't want to follow their vision of the future. What an Apple thing to do. Good grief! It's just a car, not a lifestyle change.

I'll keep digging.

I'm a retired software developer. Looks like one path might be by becoming Cariad approved developer. It might be possible to port an open source application. Probably wouldn't be easy but it's an idea worth exploring.

https://appdevelopers.harman.com/

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https://appdevelopers.harman.com/android-automotive-applications

 

[emarsh7]

Looks like there's an open source project that does this. The next question is can it be made available through the Cupra store...

Home

AudioWagon. Android Automotive OS USB music player

moleman1024.github.io

 

[Tell]

The store was empty on the demo model I sat. Might not have been logged in. Have you got pictures of what's on offer in your store.

 

[emarsh7]

The store was empty on the demo model I sat. Might not have been logged in. Have you got pictures of what's on offer in your store.

Here's what I've got. I tried a few of the apps and they all seem to be for streaming one way or another.

 

[Tell]

Thanks for that.