correct me if i'm wrong (i probably am!) but don't those "chips" simply gain a little more peak bhp by raising the rev limit and altering the fuel? but surely by raising the revs you'd loose out on torque big time? thus making the car less drivable on the road.
If that is how they function (and I don't know if that's right or not), then you'd still have all the revs lower down, as before. It would be up to the driver to decide which group of revs is best to use on the road.
LregG
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The chips described above are both proper eprom chips and not the gash resistor 'chips' you see on ebay.
They have had both the fueling and ignition maps optimized to get these gains (much the same as a remap but this will be a generic map copied from a rolling road tuned car), i will try one of the ibiza chips out as soon as possible once i have got the car and have oredered and recieved the chip.
My car (can i call it that ye??t lol) has a decat and a non-standard exhaust so it will be interesting to see the difference. I may try and get a 3 run rolling road session booked for it as it is at present, then with chip, then chip and a home brew cold feed induction kit runs to see the differences........nothing better than a bit of research and development
Check out my 'bonjourno' thread in the welcome/newbie section to see cars that i have played about with, be it using bike carbs, a supercharger or a turbo........roll on sunday
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They have had both the fueling and ignition maps optimized to get these gains (much the same as a remap but this will be a generic map copied from a rolling road tuned car), i will try one of the ibiza chips out as soon as possible once i have got the car and have oredered and recieved the chip.
My car (can i call it that ye??t lol) has a decat and a non-standard exhaust so it will be interesting to see the difference. I may try and get a 3 run rolling road session booked for it as it is at present, then with chip, then chip and a home brew cold feed induction kit runs to see the differences........nothing better than a bit of research and development
Check out my 'bonjourno' thread in the welcome/newbie section to see cars that i have played about with, be it using bike carbs, a supercharger or a turbo........roll on sunday
Gregg
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LregG
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The only worthy reason of upping the rev limit is if you can push the peak power further up the rev range......unless the engine was poorly mapped in production the main influence on moving peak power up the rev range is to fit higher duration cams and then to make the most of them you need to lighten and balance the engine to allow it rev more freely and safely.
Cam choice is always a trade off, more duration means more power higher up the rev range but with the offset of the loss of low down torque, it all depends what you want from your engine.
The chips described above are both proper eprom chips and not the gash resistor 'chips' you see on ebay.
They have had both the fueling and ignition maps optimized to get these gains (much the same as a remap but this will be a generic map copied from a rolling road tuned car), i will try one of the ibiza chips out as soon as possible once i have got the car and have oredered and recieved the chip.
My car (can i call it that ye??t lol) has a decat and a non-standard exhaust so it will be interesting to see the difference. I may try and get a 3 run rolling road session booked for it as it is at present, then with chip, then chip and a home brew cold feed induction kit runs to see the differences........nothing better than a bit of research and development
Check out my 'bonjourno' thread in the welcome/newbie section to see cars that i have played about with, be it using bike carbs, a supercharger or a turbo........roll on sunday
Gregg
Only problem with this is, and as stated by RobT also above (a man that knows!) is that every car is different. A chip is only going to be good for the car that the chip was designed and tested on. I mean purely that specific car. So many factors change the power and torque figures on a car that it would be impossible (N/A tuning wise) to have a "universal engine" chip.
I think money would be better spent doing all the work and then having somewhere like Stealth or similar map it to the current spec of the car. That way that car is "perfect" mapping wise.
Just my experiances, if i am wrong, i'd happily admit it!
20bhp from a "universal ABF" chip just isn't going to happen, but as LregG said it might be worth a try. Ultimately there isn't a lot to loose apart from the cash you are willing to gamble.
LregG
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Wise words ben.....A custom remap is obviously the best way to go but a generic chip optimized on a near standard car will be miles better than running a standard chip especially if you are running your ABF with say an induction kit, de-cat etc etc.
The thing you have to remember is that VAG underate the engines power figure, nobody knows why this is but it has been proven many times on rolling road . Maybe they rate brand new tight engines knowing that they'll only increase in power as the loosen up. If a standard ABF came make say 163bhp when at the peak part of it's running life then another 5bhp out of a chip is not out of the question.
I'm willing to gamble the money to find out)
The thing you have to remember is that VAG underate the engines power figure, nobody knows why this is but it has been proven many times on rolling road . Maybe they rate brand new tight engines knowing that they'll only increase in power as the loosen up. If a standard ABF came make say 163bhp when at the peak part of it's running life then another 5bhp out of a chip is not out of the question.
I'm willing to gamble the money to find out
)Wise words ben.....A custom remap is obviously the best way to go but a generic chip optimized on a near standard car will be miles better than running a standard chip especially if you are running your ABF with say an induction kit, de-cat etc etc.
The thing you have to remember is that VAG underate the engines power figure, nobody knows why this is but it has been proven many times on rolling road . Maybe they rate brand new tight engines knowing that they'll only increase in power as the loosen up. If a standard ABF came make say 163bhp when at the peak part of it's running life then another 5bhp out of a chip is not out of the question.
I'm willing to gamble the money to find out
Go for it! I will keep an eye out for the results!!
I started out with a normal ABF, it ran 155 standard and then has gone up since with additions. Mapping got the most out of it but if the car is completely standard and the chip is designed for it and you're willing to give it a go then what harm can it do!
Good luck and keep us informed with the results!
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