2.0 tsi 190 ??

CupraGeezer

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I doubt the current 150 bhp will be the ultimate limit for SEAT-badged Leons. Higher power versions, both petrol and diesel, will be added next year.
 
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SRGTD

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I doubt the current 150 bhp will be the ultimate limit for SEAT-badged Leons. Higher power versions, both petrol and diesel, will be added next year.
Future engine variants that car manufacturers introduce to their vehicle ranges will IMO be influenced to some extent by the 2021 emissions target for a manufacturer’s fleet - 90g of CO2 per km. Exceeding the target means substantial fines for car manufacturers. A conventional 2.0 190 ps petrol engine will have CO2 emissions way in excess of 90g / km, so I think for pretty much all manufacturers, there’ll be greater focus on hybrids and smaller ICE engines pending the full scale electric revolution.

The 2020 emissions target (also 90g/km, but measured against the 95% least polluting vehicles in a manufacturer’s vehicle fleet of new vehicles sold) is currently having an impact; VW have stopped - temporarily were told - production of the 2.0 litre 200ps Polo GTI (CO2 159g/km), and Ford also did this with their 1.5 200ps Fiesta ST (CO2 158g/km). Stopping production of the higher polluters and focusing on cleaner ICE, hybrid and electric vehicles helps manufacturers move the mix of vehicles sold towards cleaner vehicles with lower overall emissions levels across the fleet, so lower fines to pay.

That’s not to say there won’t be a 190 ps (or thereabouts) mk4 Leon though. However, I think there’s a chance that it could be powered by a petrol / electric hybrid engine rather than a traditional petrol-only unit.
 
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corbu33

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You are about right but the brands are audited like this: they are being checked for their AVERAGE Co2 emissions per that brand (SEAT respectively). So they can sell even high pollution engine if they sell only 10 pcs for example it is about weighted average ... I mean volume of cars sold with different emission. It is clear that big volumes come from 1.5 TSI probably and 2.0 TDI and rest are few percentages that are not dragging by much the AVERAGE CO2 emissions. So no problem to launch an engine with higher pollution (but respecting Euro 6d of course)... because they won't sell much of those. The majority of sales will not go on this high polluting let's say, they will go as I mentioned on 1.5 tsi and 2.0tdi and overall they will achieve their target as SEAT, or SKODA or BMW... etc
 

CupraGeezer

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Plus, many car companies are not planning to meet those limits. Instead they're budgeting for the fines and building them into the selling price. One of the reasons why Mk4 costs more than Mk3.
 

corbu33

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Could be this also, but I guess there is also some reputation risk and I guess they would not take this risk specially after diesel gate.

anyway can t wait for the 2.0 tsi 190 :)
 
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loyalbear1872

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Could be this also, but I guess there is also some reputation risk and I guess they would not take this risk specially after diesel gate.

anyway can t wait for the 2.0 tsi 190 :)
I'm on my 4th Leon so I do like them, due to change in March next year and praying for the 190 which is the sweet spot for me :)
 

corbu33

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Me too. This is what I understood, February will be first month for orders with mid march being first month of factory production for the 2.0 tsi 190. Hope will keep it, still some COVID in the world :( unfortunately.
 

markm49uk

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Would tend to disagree.

AWD is beneficial. Even at a lowly 130/150bhp traction can be lost.

at 290bhp you are going to be scrabbling wheels all over the place. Even my work van on 75bhp i can get it scrabbling at junctions:p:ROFLMAO:
I actually have a Cupra?
 

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The other thing to note, from a consumer point of view is that the VED (and hence running costs) gets expensive quickly -
Edit: Thanks to CupraGeezer for pointing out that year 2 onwards is flat rate at £150/yr
 
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