210 lcr direct port nitrous??

[jamie16v]

Just removed a direct port nitrous kit off my mates bmw and was wondering if any one has put it on a lcr 210. ive owned a normal kit on a 16v nova before but never on a leon.
is it worth doing?
cheers
jamie

 

[Ruddmeister]

Just removed a direct port nitrous kit off my mates bmw and was wondering if any one has put it on a lcr 210. ive owned a normal kit on a 16v nova before but never on a leon.
is it worth doing?
cheers
jamie

M1tchy or is it Mitchy on these forums has an LCR running a 50 shot of NOS on a remapped LCR. Do a search on Mitchy and NOS and it will show up quite a bit of info I'm sure.....

Also JBS have done a few conversions on LCR's.

As to whether it's worth doing I believe Mitchy swears by it and with 400lbsft+ of torque in his car it's reasonably swift

 

[CupraSteve]

urgh NOS, cheating gas, hate it

 

[Ruddmeister]

urgh NOS, cheating gas, hate it

Cost versus Big Turbo though makes it more appealing

NOS kits typically £1500

Big Turbo upgrades start at about £4.5k

Depending on current spec of car

 

[Icecavern]

Nothing wrong with a bit of NOS to take out the turbo lag

 

[Mitchy]

urgh NOS, cheating gas, hate it

Why do you hate it? Have you had any experience with it

 

[Icecavern]

Yeah he's watched TFATF mate, everyone knows what NOS is like now

 

[Mitchy]

I have no experience with direct port kits, it looks messy and there's far more to go wrong with them if you ask me! Each cylinder requiring its own injector!

My nitrous is introduced with a single injector in the pipe just before the throttle body. Open throttle body at full pedal, nitrous/fuel injects into pipe and is taken into the intake manifold and distributed between the 4 cylinders! The angle at which the injector is positioned ensures an even distribution into each cylinder.

With an improvement of 55whp and 110lbft with just a 50bhp jetting my kit obviously works extremely well!

Wouldnt put nitrous on an LCR without a controller though, a remapped LCR already makes silly amounts of torque low down. Fire nitrous in without a controller and your asking for engine and gearbox breakdown along with clutch!

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Cost versus Big Turbo though makes it more appealing

NOS kits typically £1500

Big Turbo upgrades start at about £4.5k

Depending on current spec of car

Yeah but what about the running cost ? When i looked at cheating sorry i mean putting nos on a car refills and the fact that a 11lb bottle didn't last very long when i phoned a few companies put me off.Plus i remember my insurance company laughing and rubbing his hand with glee when i asked for quote with nos fitted. What is the current refill price now and how long does a bottle last since this is going back a few years now. I have thought about maybe getting some fitted if i get a big turbo fitted to my Audi to remove turbo lag.

 

[CupraSteve]

Why do you hate it? Have you had any experience with it

couple of people i know have it.

Dont like it because its not an honest way of getting power IMO. plus it runs out after a few blasts so only really useful on 1/4 miles etc

 

[Mitchy]

couple of people i know have it.

Dont like it because its not an honest way of getting power IMO. plus it runs out after a few blasts so only really useful on 1/4 miles etc

Bollocks.

I have used it on a 1/4 mile strip once, the rest has been on the road and against some luxury cars that should have wiped the floor with me!

You have no direct experience of it but you think you have the right to flame it

Honest way of getting power

Why isnt it honest? What isn't honest are the enthusiasts who take their cars to 1/4 mile drag racing events with no interior and running on slicks!

Go to a 1/4 mile event such as santapod and look at all the cars that are hitting 10 sec 1/4's.

1 they have no interior
2 they have slicks instead of road tyres
and 3 the majority of them run with nitrous

11lb bottle will last about 5-6mins on full throttle! Considering my car will go from 0-160 in under 1 minute on nitrous, i think you'll find it lasts quite a while! By the time your hitting 160mph the majority of the time the car your against is well and truelly shafted a few bus lengths behind! I dont use it below 60 anyway, only mid and top range 60-160 which can be done in around 45secs.

Take your 6 mins and divide by 45 secs and you'll find i can have 8 of these ''full blown" encounters on 1 bottle! Far more if just using it for short bursts 60-100 for example. Even the typical chav in his nova would struggle to find 8 racing encounters in 1 journey

Refilling the bottle costs about £35-£40 for those of you who are interested. Far cheaper than a tank of petrol!

BT conversions are a waste of money and a bad investment! You will struggle to recoup any of the money you have spent on it when selling on! Turbo's/manifolds/injectors/fuel pumps/pistons/rods etc etc are hardly transferrable! The whole nitrous system can be ripped out within 30mins and transferred to another car or sold on!

Makes a lot more sense, well IMO anyway to get the same performance from nitrous at a fraction of the cost and in the end its not a waste of money as explained above!

Thats all ill say on the matter!

If nitrous was sh*t, how do you explain a Seat leon beating cars like M3's/Sti Type R/Evo FQ300-330. Without nitrous i would be a blip in the mirror! There really is a huge difference

 

[Molehill_Mike]

Hmmmm

How much is a Nitrous kit fitted these days...

I have been told my insurance will insure Wizard of NOS?

Mike

 

[jetsetjimbo]

Bollocks.

I have used it on a 1/4 mile strip once, the rest has been on the road and against some luxury cars that should have wiped the floor with me!

You have no direct experience of it but you think you have the right to flame it

Honest way of getting power

Why isnt it honest? What isn't honest are the enthusiasts who take their cars to 1/4 mile drag racing events with no interior and running on slicks!

Go to a 1/4 mile event such as santapod and look at all the cars that are hitting 10 sec 1/4's.

1 they have no interior
2 they have slicks instead of road tyres
and 3 the majority of them run with nitrous

11lb bottle will last about 5-6mins on full throttle! Considering my car will go from 0-160 in under 1 minute on nitrous, i think you'll find it lasts quite a while! By the time your hitting 160mph the majority of the time the car your against is well and truelly shafted a few bus lengths behind! I dont use it below 60 anyway, only mid and top range 60-160 which can be done in around 45secs.

Take your 6 mins and divide by 45 secs and you'll find i can have 8 of these ''full blown" encounters on 1 bottle! Far more if just using it for short bursts 60-100 for example. Even the typical chav in his nova would struggle to find 8 racing encounters in 1 journey

Refilling the bottle costs about £35-£40 for those of you who are interested. Far cheaper than a tank of petrol!

BT conversions are a waste of money and a bad investment! You will struggle to recoup any of the money you have spent on it when selling on! Turbo's/manifolds/injectors/fuel pumps/pistons/rods etc etc are hardly transferrable! The whole nitrous system can be ripped out within 30mins and transferred to another car or sold on!

Makes a lot more sense, well IMO anyway to get the same performance from nitrous at a fraction of the cost and in the end its not a waste of money as explained above!

Thats all ill say on the matter!

If nitrous was sh*t, how do you explain a Seat leon beating cars like M3's/Sti Type R/Evo FQ300-330. Without nitrous i would be a blip in the mirror! There really is a huge difference

Well I for one am tempted now. Sounds like an absolute bargain in comparison to the cost and reliabilty issues of a BT.

How much does a kit like the one you have cost in the first place?

I assume it can be shut off entirely with a controller when you don't want it.

 

[Mitchy]

JBS kit is around £1200 if memory serves me right, including fitting.

Then you'll want to upgrade the bottle to an 11lb bottle at an extra cost of £150.

Bottle heater and gauge is not a neccessity but imo needed if you want to get the best from the system! Nitrous works best at a constant 900psi and the only way to do that is with a heater around the bottle!

(It is safe, there is a thermostat on the heater, and if that was to fail, as a back up device you have a PRV on the bottle (Pressure release valve) If for some strange reason both failed which is highly unlikely, your bottle has a burst disc also that will blow at a certain pressure! (So 3 safety features if your going to fit a bottle heater)

All in all about £1600 for a good set up and quality system!

 

[Mitchy]

Yes and another good point, BT conversions put a strain on the engine and transmission 100% of the time!

Nitrous only puts a strain on when in use, so about 5% of the time at a conservative guess!

Edited for link.....

£1150 supplied and fitted including controller

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/n20.htm

Like i said above, probably about £1500-£1600 all in with upgraded bottle/gauge and bottle heater!

 

[Ruddmeister]

Yeah but what about the running cost ?

LOL Haven't you read the rumours of 6-8mpg from 'some' Big Turbo remappers




(With the hook baited and the rod cast, Ruddmeister settled back for a cosy evenings baiting )

 

[Mitchy]

I assume it can be shut off entirely with a controller when you don't want it.

1st you turn the valve on the bottle to release nitrous into the pipe and through the car into your engine bay where it will wait at a pulsoid awaiting to be activated.

2nd you flip back a red cover and flick back a switch to arm the system. This turns your controller on and your system is ready for use.

At this point extra fuel is being supplied to another pulsoid in the engine bay!

The controller controls the timings of these pulsoids and as soon as you go full throttle on your pedal, the throttle body is fully opened and nitrous is injected into the pipe and into your intake manifold!

1. You must have bottle valve open
2. You must have sitch flicked to on under the red cover
3. You have to go full throttle

When you dont want to use your system just close the red cover and turn off the bottle valve! You can then go full throttle again and no nitrous will be used!

Its really easy to use.

 

[Molehill_Mike]

I'd love to have it, just for the gadgety side of thigns lol

Oh and the extra 5 horses hehe

Hmmmmm

One day I will have Nitrous, I think I'll buy my next car with it installed already, cheating I know

Mike

 

[devonmikeyboy]

LOL Haven't you read the rumours of 6-8mpg from 'some' Big Turbo remappers




(With the hook baited and the rod cast, Ruddmeister settled back for a cosy evenings baiting )

Might be true of petrol tuning not diesel tuning mate.

As to the Seat leon beating M3`s evo`s etc dont you think that if they strapped a bootle of nos in there car as well then they would wipe your ass.

(With the hook baited and the rod cast, Devonmikeyboy settled back for a cosy evenings baiting
Sorry mate couldnt resist thats a great line.

 

[jetsetjimbo]

As to the Seat leon beating M3`s evo`s etc dont you think that if they strapped a bootle of nos in there car as well then they would wipe your ass.

Sure they would but they'd still have spent double the money on a car in the first place.


Anyway - this has turned into a 'to NOS' or 'not to NOS' debate and looking at the evidence I think we all know what the answer to that is.

jamie16vs original question was:

Just removed a direct port nitrous kit off my mates bmw and was wondering if any one has put it on a lcr 210. ive owned a normal kit on a 16v nova before but never on a leon.
is it worth doing?
cheers
jamie

which I don't think has been addressed.

Thanks for all the info though Mitchy - very informative