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Very interesting build thread, do you have any projected BHP and torque figures yet???

no exact estimations.

I think that on race fuel i will be a little over 500 and on 98 a little under
we will decide in the tuning phase since i am willing to sacrifice peak power for a linear graph

and dont forget i am running 2871 so boost should be from around 3400 rpm which is really low compared to what other bt Setup do.
 
So you have no personal experience of APR ??

Dont take this the wrong way mate but you've been pretty hot on criticising this guys build from the first posts you made on the subject.

He's just trying to show the rest of us what he has chosen to do with his car and although i agree everyone is free to express their opinions on what he is doing and ask questions is there really any need to be so negative?

If the guy can afford to spend the money on his car then he is free to choose who he wants to carry out the work... and apply the mods to the car of his choice... its pretty obvious from his first post that he has spent some time researching his options and knows what he is trying to achieve from the build.

I do take on board that I have come across quite negative towards Poko, for this I am sorry... I have massive respect to this guy as it's a great project and it will be a very interesting read.
My quarrel is with APR. If you are in a "money is no object" position then fair doos, I'd probably give APR a blank cheque to modify my car too!
However I honestly don't believe that their products and services are so far superior to other manufacturers and tuning companies that they can warrant:

a) Charging the premium on their products that they do.
b) Slagging off other tuning companies to the extent they do.
c) Arguing with forum members that don't agree with their own views.

I'm not gonna mention APR in further posts in this thread cos I don't wanna come across as a ****...
Good luck with the build Poko, keep us updated!!!
 
^^ Fair play Pat, thanks for coming back to the thread with some more info.

I think we are all in agreement that Poko is a true nutter with possibly more money than sense but we all respect him for where he is taking his Leon :thumbup:
 
The concept of the lion in sheeps clothing, most interesting Leon Mk2 thread. Power of a V12 Vantage how sick. You HAVE TO post vids of power/acceleration once completed, of course legally :p

Btw I'm drooling, best of luck with your concept Poko :)
 
will be quite insane
However I honestly don't believe that their products and services are so far superior to other manufacturers and tuning companies that they can warrant:

a) Charging the premium on their products that they do.
b) Slagging off other tuning companies to the extent they do.
c) Arguing with forum members that don't agree with their own views.

I'm not gonna mention APR in further posts in this thread cos I don't wanna come across as a ****...
Good luck with the build Poko, keep us updated!!!

i fully agree with the above. its why out of principle i wont buy an APR product. However they do make very good kit though.

this car wil be quite insane when it gets done.
 
well , after everyone agreed to the fact that i am a nutter , here are some updates.

The engine has arrived to Israel and we are waiting for the APR team to come on over and install it.

In the meantime the car was towed back today from storage to be prepped.

Apart from Being extremely dirty (we will fix that soon) the tow truck also managed to break a side mirror as well as scratch the car.
i am less worried about the scratches since once the body kit is on (will come after the car is tuned) i will re-paint it , but now i have to source quickly another mirror.

we started today with the easy jobs of installing the intercooler and the brakes.

Intercooler

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Engine Bay

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brakes post will be up a little later today.
 
Now on with the brakes.

First , Since most of you don't know the CUPRA , its important to mention that OEM it comes with the S3 fronts (345mm) and GTI rear's (286mm).

My goal from the beginning was to get the best braking possible with the right front rear balance.

I started reading every post known to man about brake setups on the Mk5 and other platforms , but the real eye opener for me was a 30 minutes phone conversation with the racing teams manager for Seat Sport.
He was also generous enough to put his main engineer on the line and discuss with me the various options available.

The fronts :

So after the call with them , i decided to go for the brand that they are using which is AP racing.

here i had a real dilemma between weight and stopping power.
most of the guys i see here in the forums are spending $$$'s to save a LB in wheel weight but don't comprehend how heavy their brake setup is.

with AP racing i had two options.
one is to go with the 5200 series which comprises of 330mm discs with 4 pot calipers and is extremely light at around 14 LBS for the entire setup
the other is to go with the 7040 series which is a 6 pot setup with 362mm discs , but weighs much more at around 30 LBS.

in the end my decision was to go with the better stopping power , also because this is the exact setup used on the Seat Supercopa race cars.

so here it is :

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Now for the rears

The common upgrade for the mk5 chasis is to go to the S3's 310mm vented discs and calipers
however, in the discussion i had with Seat Sport they were strongly against it on a FWD.

they prefer a much more front bias setup which will help to load the wheels prior to corner entery.
as a matter of fact they are even "downgrading" the brakes on the race cars to the 253mm single piston setup from the lower powered Golfs.

therefore i have decided to stay with my 286mm setup and on a whim i changed the discs to Autotech ones.
i am not sure this will do me any good since they are as heavy as stock ones and the grooving/holes are done in CNC and not as part of the casting process.
but for now they will do.

some pics :

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As for brake pads i am currently running Mintex Extreme all around , but will try to play later on also with the options from Pagid (i want to see if i can keep the car in the temp range needed for Pagid blue).

as for wheels, the Lenso D1R which i was running do not clear the front brakes and my main intended wheels are much too wide (were meant for the body kit i will install only later).
therefore i had to find quickly some set of wheels with decent offset and the only thing i could find were nice looking AMG Reps. they are 18X8.5 ET45.
they were painted in Lambo Reventon color and mounted. those are cheap chinese wheels and are temps until i can find something better.

As for tires, i started out with my Toyo R1R at 225x40x18 but will go after the initial tune to my R888 at 255x35x18 all around.
 
i fully agree with the above. its why out of principle i wont buy an APR product. However they do make very good kit though.

this car wil be quite insane when it gets done.

I also agree, and I feel the same about Forge too.

Having said that, the only product I would buy new from either APR or Forge, because it is engineered as one unit - the APR fuel pump, but it is horrendously overpriced.
 
I also agree, and I feel the same about Forge too.

Having said that, the only product I would buy new from either APR or Forge, because it is engineered as one unit - the APR fuel pump, but it is horrendously overpriced.

I did some development work with Forge on my last car and a couldn't pick a single fault with them in any area. The Forge team are a great bunch of guys and I don't think there stuff is too overpriced... Also their twintercooler gets a big :thumbup: from me!

An APR fuel pump was used in the Scirocco GT24 race car. To be fair you can't get much better recomendation than use in a manufacturer's 24 hour race car...

Back to the topic - those breaks are fantastic! Can't really get much better than AP I reckon. Alcon are supposed to be a bit better but there is a big price hike... Will you look to change the rear disks to AP one of the same size as the Autotech ones in the near future?

When do the APR team come over to install your engine?
 
As for the brakes, alcon and AP are at the same price bracket. i chose AP because that's what seat uses for racing and according to them it fitted the car "nature" better than the Alcons.

However i have also driven when i visited APR one of their cars fitted with Alcons and it was really good as well.

As for the rear discs , i see no real need in an upgrade right now since the caliper is still the single piston OEM one and therefore has a limit to the amount of Heat it can generate.

i will review the autotech discs after i put some miles on them and than i will decide.

As for further progress , still some time away until APR arrives.

car work is continuing in a slow rate , currently the gear is down for an LSD install
 
I did some development work with Forge on my last car and a couldn't pick a single fault with them in any area. The Forge team are a great bunch of guys and I don't think there stuff is too overpriced... Also their twintercooler gets a big :thumbup: from me!

Maybe because you got the twintercooler for free because they designed it on your car?
 
Looking good Poko.

It seems that checking with SEAT Motorsport is probably the best place to start if you want a fast road car. If it works for them you can be pretty sure will work for you too.

Do the SEAT motorsport guys have LSD on their cars or are they restricted by regulations of racing?

I bet you can't wait for the engine to arrive!

I hope the recover truck company are covering your respray and new mirror?
 
As for the brakes, alcon and AP are at the same price bracket. i chose AP because that's what seat uses for racing and according to them it fitted the car "nature" better than the Alcons.

However i have also driven when i visited APR one of their cars fitted with Alcons and it was really good as well.

As for the rear discs , i see no real need in an upgrade right now since the caliper is still the single piston OEM one and therefore has a limit to the amount of Heat it can generate.

i will review the autotech discs after i put some miles on them and than i will decide.

As for further progress , still some time away until APR arrives.

car work is continuing in a slow rate , currently the gear is down for an LSD install

Mate, wait till you see the price of the replacement pads for these calipers!! [:@]
 
What type or gains will you get with a stage4. I new to all this, so really intrested. Loving the colour.
 
Looking good Poko.

It seems that checking with SEAT Motorsport is probably the best place to start if you want a fast road car. If it works for them you can be pretty sure will work for you too.

Do the SEAT motorsport guys have LSD on their cars or are they restricted by regulations of racing?

I bet you can't wait for the engine to arrive!

I hope the recover truck company are covering your respray and new mirror?

Seat Sport are Using LSD's. however they use clutch type ones which are really not suitable for road use , unless you want to go off-road really quickly :)

as for the pads, yes, they are extremly expensive, as well as replacment discs etc. that's what you get when you buy top of the line brakes.