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Cupraken

Southwest Stealth
Apr 10, 2009
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Street, Somerset
Hi guys, this is my first post, forum is great! Just wondered what the best remap software is for my newly acquired 07 Cupra? Now I'm getting used to it the surge of power runs out a bit quick imho! Also, is it likely to affect the clutch, maybe H/D replacement needed? Bluefin seems favourite looking at the posts/reviews, any help appreciated, Ken
 
Nice choice of car Ken.

Your Remap is a personal choice though and for what you want it to do. They will all roughly achieve the same power. If one person has X software, you'd probably find they would recommend that while Mr Y will recommend his lol. How far do you want to go? Do you want to achieve stage 2 or 2+?
 
bluefin is gentle apparently? Revo is aggressive. P torque is by far the cheapest. Take your pic and pay your monies.
 
Hmmm, not as easy then! The Bluefin sounds good cos you can switch the map back to standard for warranty purposes, can it be taken as far though? Probably looking at stage 1 or 2, but you know how these things develop! How about clutch issues, how far can you go with a good standard clutch, 280/300 bhp?
 
Hmmm, not as easy then! The Bluefin sounds good cos you can switch the map back to standard for warranty purposes, can it be taken as far though? Probably looking at stage 1 or 2, but you know how these things develop! How about clutch issues, how far can you go with a good standard clutch, 280/300 bhp?

Revo is good and you can also reset it back to standard with select switch you also get the added bonus of being able disable the accelerator if you are going to leave it parked up for a while or when in a suspect area :lol:

It can be set to how aggresive that you want it when you go out with the revo installer, it can be set so that it holds its boost all way to the red or get it more instant and tails off. I was worried that it may wheelspin too much but that is not the case and having had the Milltek cat back it pulls even more !!:D

Can't comment on the clutch only had Revo for a month or so I was told not to floor the accelerator whilst in sixth if I was not going that fast as that is likely to burn out the clutch quicker due to the torque .
 
You should base your choices on some factors.

1. Product feedback - does it get good customer reports.
2. Do you want the tuner to be close to you? ie How far do you want to travel. Sometimes people prefer to use a tuner closer to them for piece of mind.
3. Features, does it allow switching of programs, valet modes, anti-theft etc.
4. Do you want to go further, is the map upgradeable should you start fitting extra modifications, such as full exhaust and downpipe, fuelpump, intercooler, intake etc etc

The popular choices such as Revo, APR, Custom Code, P Torque, Bluefin all have their followers, but at the end of the day they are all there or thereabouts doing a similar job. Some tuners maybe more aggressive with their maps, stronger mid-range, more top end, some may map for a smoother on road performance.

Bear in mind also that a stage 1 map on a Cupra can be limited in what it can give you. The TFSI engine essentially has a ceiling point at which the fuel delivery/fuel pressure becomes a problem across a certain part of the middle rev range. If a map attempts to push the output past the point at which enough fuel can be delivered across that mid-range, the car will momentarily cut-out and essential be running lean which is bad long term for the engine.

On stage 1 maps tuners tend to flatten out the mid-range to prevent the fuel cut-off from happening, but they usually recover some of the lost power near the top of the rev range, so good top end power.

Hence tuners have developed modified fuel pumps such as APR's replacement fuel pump solution and there are other ad-hoc solutions which replace the internals of the stock pump. These modifications increase fuel delivery so allowing stage 2 maps to be developed increasing power output safely without fuel starvation.

Across the mid-range a fuel pump upgrade can harness upwards of 40-50hp more, which is very noticeable and a useful power to have in the area of the power band you make the most use of.
 
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Thanks Mark, a lot to consider, so, is the fuel pump an essential mod for a stage 2? How much and how hard to change? I've not noticed it mentioned on the threads before......
 
It's really the consensus that you can't safely go to stage 2 on the TFSI without a pump upgrade.

One the main aims of stage 2 is to push up power in the mid-range and without the up-rated pump it's impossible to achieve this without the car suffering fuel starvation and cut-outs.

Unfortunately the pump isn't cheap, APR's HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) is probably the most expensive but so far appears to be the easiest and simplest solution. I think off the top of my head it's around £750, but can be sourced for around £600 if you trade in your stock pump.

There are cheaper alternatives where you would need to modify the stock pump with new internals, which of course requires disassembling and reassembling the pump and this can be quite technical and must be done correctly to ensure safe operation of the pump or engine damage can easily occur.

I opted for the APR solution and have been very happy with the results. Awesome GTI did mine and swapped the pump over in a matter of minutes. However there are other tuners offering both the APR pump and the modified stock internals option, where they will modify and rebuild the pump for you.

The APR pump is a simpler job take off old stock pump bolt on new APR pump, if you are pretty good mechanically then it can be done as a DIY job, as long as the safety instructions are followed regarding bleeding off the fuel pressure before removing the pump. If in doubt then do not attempt it yourself as the pump runs under extremely high pressures.

There are many threads on the subject, the fuel pump is a bone of contention because it's design not only limits the potential power increases possible without this modification. But it appears to be flawed in that the way VW/Audi designed the engine means that the pump can easily damage the engine over time even on a stock car. It should be periodically inspected for wear and tear.

Big long thread on the subject here - http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174856

Worth noting that though you can have the APR pump fitted, and other tuners take advantage of the uprated pump with their stage 2 code. APR supply a specific map tailored for their pump and if your already an APR stage 1 code customer I believe it's a free upgrade when you purchase the pump, so in effect you get stage 2 code with the pump.
 
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