Bigger nozzles fitted and balanced

[Seatmann]

That's my new nozzles arrived from the states all fitted and balanced, just got to fit them to the engine now.

I got the Bosio powerplus 764 ones from a place called Kermatdi, they then went to a guy at drivbiwire where I sent off some old injectors, he then fits the new nozzles and balances them up so they all fire the right amount of fuel. He's set them up to fit straight into a 90 tdi and should up the power to 110bhp which is cool. I'll update later after fitting.

 

[Seatmann]

Holy crap! These nozzles are amazing! I'm totally blown away by the difference, the car pulls like a train and goes like a rocket, I'd highly recommend them to anyone who doesn't have a pd engine, they work in a different way and bigger nozzles are pointless but if like me you have the older type of tdi then these are totally worth the effort and money. If anyone is interested give me a shout and I'll point you in the right direction, do not go on ebay and buy chinese rubbish, there's loads of fakes flying about.

 

[cra19n]

Hay seatman much did this cost you? and from wher id be interested got a 110bhp tdi and im concidering a map and decat, but id rather get this done befor the map so i get best out of it.

(btw thanks for help with "wineing" noise a while ago air-con compressor changed noise away )

 

[Seatmann]

They cost me a bit less than £300 including posting, fitting and balancing, buying them and the import buggers got me too lol. If you join the tdiclub you get discount from some of the places, I got the nozzles for $249/£160 from kermatdi because I'm a member, they're usually about $347 or something.

 

[cra19n]

dam was hopeing they wher a bit cheaper. was hopeing to get car maped at crail once these fitted with a de-cat, but dont think i will be able to save that much to get it all done. is their any uk company that sells them? and can you fit them yourself? (novice) or dose it need to be a pro?

 

[Seatmann]

There's probably someone selling the regular bosch ones but I don't know if you can get that size, I know there was .216 in the t4 2.5L vw van but that's not much of an increase in what you already have, I think yours are about .205 and the 764's are about .232 there abouts. I think if you fit them yourself you'll miss out and that's if they run right. They have to be fairly equal and they're also a 2 stage injector which makes things more complicated lol. Fitting and balancing was about £100 plus postage from drivbiwire.com but there might be someone in the UK who can do it. I've gotten about 20-25bhp and about 40-50lbs of torque with out smoke which is pretty good for the price. Have a look at this too.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=317004

 

[cra19n]

Thanks for the info. all the figures and numbers are still confuzling me . i think i need to be a bit more reserch as im a compleat novice. but it is very tempting and i hope to do this soon.

once again thanks for your knowledge Seatmann

 

[Seatmann]

No worries, I got a lot of the info from lurking on that other site lol, anything from 764's up would give you a boost but it really depends what you're aiming for. My ecu doesn't take a remap without first being chipped so for the same sort of money I got my power increase through the nozzles. I think you're limited to around 150bhp with the standard turbo on yours at the moment but the remap alone will probably take your car most of the way there. I think you would only need nozzles if you wanted to go further but then you're looking at a clutch and flywheel to handle the extra torque and it just gets more expensive so I would just get your remap for now then do other stuff as you go. I could've got a stage 2 colt camshaft too for another 10bhp and 15lbs of torque but I'm having to pay for a stupid steering rack, it's the downside of having a less common car.

 

[slim]

Seatmann: thanks for sharing that! I have been reading TDIClub a lot recently; there seems to be very little ASV/110TDi action on here these days. I have had mine about 6 months and it's been a fabulous car.

cra19n, I am still at the research stage myself and at the moment, the Bosio injectors look like the failsafe method for around £250-300. It is implied there should be no smoke with these but I can't find people saying the T4 nozzles DO smoke. They are typically much cheaper though and could potentially provide much the same gain.

Snippets of anecdotal evidence everywhere... the search continues!

 

[Seatmann]

The t4 nozzles wont smoke either but your nozzles are .205, the t4 ones are .216 and the 764's I'm using are .232, I don't think the t4 ones would be worth fitting really as you have a 110bhp car already. I really don't get smoke with them, I barely get a light haze, I think the secret is really to get them set up right in the first place. Your 110 is basically the same block and head as the agr/alh etc but you have slightly bigger nozzles, slightly different tune and a vnt 15, you might actually benifit from a remap or remap and bigger turbo. As standard I don't think you'd get much from the nozzles alone as you're already at 110. The way I've read it is that you could get to about 135-140ish with a remap alone and the injectors you already have can handle that, the bigger nozzles with a remap should get you to 150-155 but then the turbo would be the limiting factor so then it's turbo upgrade time but then you need to think about the clutch lol, it's a work in progress. I like these nozzles to because I would need to get my ecu socketed and chipped in order to get a remap but the I'm still held back by the wastegate turbo so I figured well they have a 5 year warranty and they can certainly go a lot further and it's a step in the right direction plus they cost less than my other options and because my car's a 90bhp they make a fair bit of difference. There's also these stage 2 colt cams on the go aswell at the moment from kermatdi which can add about another 10 bhp and 15lbs of torque, they're only about $250-$300 so it works out at a not bad price for us.

 

[Deleted member 32025]

They're looking good!

Are you running these on a 110 or a 90? I'm stuck between getting a new set of nozzles and a re-map, or going down the expensive (but more power) route of getting a PD150 turbo, nozzles, custom remap etc.

You reckon you could get about 150 from these nozzles and a good remap? I'm running a 90 bhp AHU.

 

[Seatmann]

If your running an AHU then these nozzles are really good fun, they make a big difference to the 90, you'd get 150 with these nozzles and a vnt 15 from and ALH or something, these are the 5 hole nozzles and should be good to around 180 but you'll need to get the ecu chipped and tuned and also rewire the N75 to run a vnt turbo. I got these because our ecu's can't take a remap without a chip first and even then I think we'd only make around 120 tops so I thought sod it as the nozzles were on special offer at the time so I got them for about $249/£160, I also got them fitted and balanced plus delivery, it was less than £300 anyway. I'd like to get a biiger turbo at some point and I've been looking at how to install a chip in the ecu, I would also want a pd 150 intake, an uprated clutch and smf and get a map sent over with a gadget to install the map.

 

[Deleted member 32025]

Hmm, that sounds like a nice way to get to about 150. Is the VNT15 bigger than the one on the AHU?

Yeah that's the problem with this engine setup it doesn't have a N75 valve, and I'm not too sure (without re reading tdiclub) how i would wire it into the ECU i have now because it's not setup for one?

Yeah M1KEY has socketed and remapped his AHU and got it to 120bhp, so I imagine with bigger injectors, remap and better turbo setup 150 should be reachable.

You planning on getting yours remapped at any point? Or you happy with the power for now?

 

[Seatmann]

VNT = Variable Nozzle Turbo in the AHU and in my car we have the wategate turbo, you need to change the exhaust manifold, turbo, rewire the N75 valve and get the car chipped and mapped to run one, you do have an N75, it's just our turbos work on pressure to open the wastegate but the vnt uses vacuum to operate, also the N75 for the vnt setup opens at a different time because the vnt needs vacuum in order to build boost unlike the wastwgate N75 which only opens to expel extra boost, hence the name wastegate. You could take the ecu, nozzles and turbo setup from an AFN, it's more or less the same engine as the AHU/1Z but it's 110 and uses a vnt turbo. That should get 130-140 with a map alone.
Man I've been waiting on my mates sharan going tits up for ages lol, it has the AFN in it and I could steal the various parts from it
I've been checking out a site about doing the socket and chip myself, (I'll pm you the address because for some reason the url wont bloody work)

bit tricky and a good idea to use a spare ecu but once done it could be flashed with software from an AFN, a little bit of wiring and hey presto, vnt capable. There's some clever gits from around europe who really know their stuff on the tdi club and seem to know where to get stuff from. I would gladly get more poke, it's just a money thing at the moment but you could look up ryanp on the tdiclub site, he's in the UK and deals in turbos and maps etc, he also has the gizmo for fitting a socket and chip. Injector wise if you can find one, you could get them from a volvo V70 I think it is, it has the 2.5 5cylinder tdi and it has the .216 nozzles which are fine for 150 with the turbo and tune, you also get them from the T4 van with the same engine.

 

[M1KEH]

If you find a spare ecu I can socket it for you Seatmann.

 

[Seatmann]

Cool, I'll let you know when I do eventually get round to it, I keep finding other things needing money lol, I got a bit carried away so the clutch is starting to slip, oops. It would've been ok but I was towing a ton and a half of wood on a big trailer at the time.

 

[M1KEH]

What you need is a clutch saver tune . Clutches only take 4 hours anyway . Although yours is dual mass flywheel yeah? I'd go single mass with vr6 clutch while your in there.

 

[Seatmann]

I've no idea if I have a dmf or smf yet, I was talking to ryanp and he was saying he took off his box on the caddy only to find it was a smf and he thinks mine could well be the same in which case it's just the £150 for the sachs kit. I'll need to have a look on ETKA and see what it says in there.

 

[M1KEH]

Which sachs clutch is 150, is that the sachs uprated one?

Looking at vagcat Im fairly sure you have a single mass flywheel to be honest.

 

[Seatmann]

Well ryan's doing these kits but says he can do the clutch kit on it's own for £150.

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