Coilovers - Height settings problem??

[Gubien]

Hi all,

Ok, first of all, I might be missing something completely.

The bilstein B14 I mounted yesterday should be from 10-30 mm at the front, so 20 mm of play.

According to the manual it then should be set to anywhere at 205-225 mm from spring seat to center of bottom mounting hole.

I choosed 205mm i start out, which then should be the lowest setting? OR IS IT??

The front is now higher than with my stock shocks + -20mm H&R spring

Either I'm missing completely how gravity works, or Bilstein have really made something fantasticly odd

Note: I would assume when Bilstein make a coil-over car specific set, that they take in account the Cupra R is lowered -15 mm from the factory. However, nothing confirms this.

So with the -20 mm H&R springs the car was lowered 35mm before the change.

Mesaured: from arc to top of alloy (Same alloys before and after)
Stock shocks + -20mm H&R springs: 11,6 cm
Bilstein 205mm: 12,5 cm.

Could somebody please enlightning me??

 

[Double-6s]

I think the advertised height reduction is Leon specific rather than LCR specific mate?

 

[Gubien]

I think the advertised height reduction is Leon specific rather than LCR specific mate?

I'm affraid your right, however, I cant believe Bilstein is that stupud.

The kit are built for Cupra R's + FWD Audi TTs - Which I believe both are lowered from factory(The Cupra R is definitely).

So why would they take zero measured from a Leon 1.6?? That would not make any sense at all.

The TUV papers only mentions FWD Audi TT and Cupra R's

Bilstein lowered front, the tires follow the arc nicely, and I think thats whats Bilstein are all about, but I had imagined at lille more headroom for adjustment! Note 17 inch winter wheels.

Before on stock shock + -20 mm H&R springs + Note 18 inch summer wheels.

 

[Gubien]

Hmm.... guess I'm pretty much alone on this one... LOL

 

[Double-6s]

I shouldn't laugh but, LOL!

You didn't do much reading on the forum before you chose springs then mate? It's pretty well documented in here that ALL lowering springs use the standard Leon as a benchmark for height reduction.

It does make sense when you think about it. It's the only way in reality or there would be even more confusion.

 

[Gubien]

I did search the forum, but it seems like nobody really uses the Bilsteins, mainly because of the price compared to other products.

I really think using "a standard leon" for zero measure is odd, as the Cupra R has a different suspension setup.

I dont see where the confusion is, when I buy a kit specific for my model. Even the part numbers are different comparing to a seat leon top sport.

However, Bilstein havent been helpfull at all, they refer to the shop i bought i at, the shop refers to bilstein and around it goes. No help at all. What a shitty product support.

I just have could just adjust it out of the TUV range, but there isnt more than a few mm left.

 

[Double-6s]

You don't see where the confusion is yet you've just raised your car by 10mm at the front?! There's the confusion obviously mate.

For example, all mountains are measured from sea level, not from the base of the mountain. Same principal really. You have to have a common datum. In this instance that is the standard Leon.

To be fair, whichever way they do it, some people will get it wrong unfortunately. whip the springs off, clean them up, and tell the vendor you want to swap springs. Obviously you haven't put them on your car yet

 

[Gubien]

You don't see where the confusion is yet you've just raised your car by 10mm at the front?! There's the confusion obviously mate.

For example, all mountains are measured from sea level, not from the base of the mountain. Same principal really. You have to have a common datum. In this instance that is the standard Leon.

To be fair, whichever way they do it, some people will get it wrong unfortunately. whip the springs off, clean them up, and tell the vendor you want to swap springs. Obviously you haven't put them on your car yet

Hmm... I'll try again with an example:

Lets say my mom buy a standard LCR, she goes to the dealer and tells they to install a Bilstein B14, as she read on Bilstein website they would lower the car 30 mm.

I'm pretty sure she would expect 45mm drop -And so would the dealer, as the sold the car with a 15 drop as standard.

You would they argue that she had to check this forum or vwvortex to get the correct information? Bilstein should state otherwise.

I figure we can argue about this all day, but they dont fix my rideheight

My personal opinion is that Bilstein should have their numbers clear on the website.

 

[Brettyboy]

At the end of the day it is a lesson learnt,u may think it dosent make sense but that is the way it is,sorry to be brutal but thats the way it is

 

[Gubien]

At the end of the day it is a lesson learnt,u may think it dosent make sense but that is the way it is,sorry to be brutal but thats the way it is

Yeah, what the hell, its just money, it isnt like dissapear forever

 

[Double-6s]

Hmm... I'll try again with an example:

Lets say my mom buy a standard LCR, she goes to the dealer and tells they to install a Bilstein B14, as she read on Bilstein website they would lower the car 30 mm.

I'm pretty sure she would expect 45mm drop -And so would the dealer, as the sold the car with a 15 drop as standard.

You would they argue that she had to check this forum or vwvortex to get the correct information? Bilstein should state otherwise.

I figure we can argue about this all day, but they dont fix my rideheight

My personal opinion is that Bilstein should have their numbers clear on the website.

Yep we could indeed argue all day mate. Not sure what that will achieve though. My car sits at the height I wanted

Like the chap above says, lesson learned. Now take my advice and clean the freakin springs, put them back in the box, and tell the dealer you bought the wrong ones.

Problem solved

 

[Gubien]

Well, apart from the measured difference of 10 mm, it should only be 5 mm.

Stock -15mm + -20 H&R = 35mm
Bilstein = 30 mm

I think I can live with that, it might settle bit over the next days(Might be weeks? Really dont how fast this spring settle goes).
I could use a setting outside the TUV specified area, which might give me and extra 3-4 mm. It all depends of the clearence of the tyres etc.

 

[Brettyboy]

Yep we could indeed argue all day mate. Not sure what that will achieve though. My car sits at the height I wanted

Like the chap above says, lesson learned. Now take my advice and clean the freakin springs, put them back in the box, and tell the dealer you bought the wrong ones.

Problem solved

Sound advice that won't cost you money

 

[Gubien]

Ahh well, eventually got the rears done, what an improvement, the shocks at the rear was really shot, so it almost feels like it got a rear arb mounted too... LOL
I could without effort pull the shock upwards and compress the piston and get i out... but hey, thats why i found i usefull to change the suspension.