Cupra vs. Evo 5

[Deleted member 14928]

to be honest EVOs are actaully stupidly quick, and i also considered one when i brought my cupra, but i wanted a newer on (evo 7+) and just couldnt afford it

As many people have said efore they are completly differnt machines. you cant really compare them, one is a track/rally car and the other is a road car that has been tuned.

Still when i seel mine in a couple of years i think i shal be looking into getting me one.... but at 20 i think the insurance company would just point and laugh!!!! (well more than they do now anyway!)

 

[ibizacupra]

they dont seem that quick to me.
(except the Norris ones which are ballistic until they break down )

 

[Madmile]

I have never come across a faster Evo than my stage3 IHI and the fastest one I came across was the Fq400. Theres always gong to be a quicker car than yours its just the more power you have the less likely an encounter will take place where you will lose.

 

[Ben CTR]

A remapped LCR will go start to go past any standard GSR (276bhp) once over 80mph.. Evo's a very quick to 60mph as they launch well (4WD) and have short gearing. But once over 80-100mph they struggle with 4WD drag, that's when a Remapped LCR will slowly go past..
But once you start modding the Evo, then it's game set and match really..
I won't even bother comparing handling through twisties.. lol

 

[Mitchy]

Can't imagine an LCR out dragging an Evo 5 in any situation!

You mean a standard car with 222bhp vs the 276bhp evo? Well then yes i'll agree with you.

However a £500 remap does wonders for the LCR

You forgot to mention it has 4wd tranny losses and an @ wheels figure of around 210whp in your statement above

Remapped LCR @ wheels = approx 230whp

4wd is good off the line and good in the wet, but its a hinderance on the move when traction is not an issue.

 

[ryan_s3]

This is a funny thread i now own a evo and once of ihi s3. Standard the evo(280bhp is pretty tame) probably straight line chipped lcr/s3 speed ignoring the start .But twisties omg this thing is on another planet,i use mine mainly for track use but it's amazing.And value for money ,modding is fairly cheap, £1,500 quid will get you 360+bhp depending on model and remember it's twin scroll turbo and bigger standard than a ihi vf34.
Total respect to the ibiza though 300whp in a light 2wd package means it's going to be quick in a straight line but unless your of god like ability aka bill ,then the evo will flatter you all day long in the twisties.

 

[Al_G]

Hmm.. Shame. But as mentioned, the running costs are a world apart. The Cupra R is so affordable compared to the Evo.

I knew a bloke at Uni. who had bought a Civic Type-R on a 2002. He was certain that his little VTEC would be able to competently take on ANY hothatch... and bury them. This was before the Mk5 Golfs release. So whether he'd admit defeat vs. the Mk5 R32 or not, I'm unsure.

I brought up the topic of the Type-R vs. a Cupra R and, again, he said he'd win.. no problems. I remember a comment on here about a bloke keeping pace with a Type-R that was redlining, and then eventually pulling away from it.

Straight up Type-R vs. Cupra R? Hedge your bets.. who'd win? (I'm interested to know)

Is an Evo so much more expensive to run than an LCR? Yes the Evo does need to be serviced every 5000 miles but all my friends who own evo's (Evo5's, FQ340) do the servicing themselves and I can bank on a lot of LCR owners changing their oil every 5k (which makes up the bulk of servicing costs).

I know that OE Brembo brakes (Evo 5) can be bought for less money than OE LCR brakes and with the tyres being 17" they are cheaper too. I also can't imagine a massive difference in fuel costs (both need to be run on VPower) unless the Evo has been modded!

I know for sure that an LCR isn't particularly cheap to run. I guess if your still living at home and not paying rent/mortgage then it's easily affordable but by the time most people get the chance to own one (insurance costs etc) they have more than likely have moved out of the family home.

 

[RobM]

Thread from the dead

 

[jonnie5]

Is an Evo so much more expensive to run than an LCR? Yes the Evo does need to be serviced every 5000 miles but all my friends who own evo's (Evo5's, FQ340) do the servicing themselves and I can bank on a lot of LCR owners changing their oil every 5k (which makes up the bulk of servicing costs).

I know that OE Brembo brakes (Evo 5) can be bought for less money than OE LCR brakes and with the tyres being 17" they are cheaper too. I also can't imagine a massive difference in fuel costs (both need to be run on VPower) unless the Evo has been modded!

I know for sure that an LCR isn't particularly cheap to run. I guess if your still living at home and not paying rent/mortgage then it's easily affordable but by the time most people get the chance to own one (insurance costs etc) they more than likely have moved out of the family home.

Thats true but very philasophical

 

[Snoopie]

If I was going to compare my Standard CTR, against my Standard Leon Cupra R, the CTR is a better driver's car in everyway. It is more attractive to the local chav, but besides that.... it handles better, it's quicker, not as thirsty, and thank god it's 3 door.

 

[ryan_s3]

A decent service with all the diff oils being changed etc including labour is about £190.
Like Revo Kev stated if your not doing loads of miles the evo is actually alot better value than a highly modified lcr or s3.It's sorted from the start.
The insurance on my evo is about £50-£100 more than my ihi s3.

 

[225]

Evos are very quick machines I had a play in the TIV once with an fq340 and was only a bit quicker in straight line speed and was obviously holding him up come the curved bits! (had no desire to spend the rest of the day in a hedge/A&E)
I would like one, especially the new FQMR360

 

[ryan_s3]

The 360 is a lovely machine,what about the new evo x?Either one you will not be dissappointed.

 

[Oliveracc]

Heres the scoop on a modified LCR vs an Evo:

I had a blast over many miles against an Evo 8 GSR with aftermarket exhaust system (290bhp). The roads were dry, straight and fast and overall there was very little between the cars in straightline speed. The Evo was very slightly faster overall, but needed about 1/4 mile to pull a few car lengths. I was more or less glued to his bumper and he couldn't shake me off. This was repeated over several miles and the same result occurred.

The guy in the evo was actually so surprised he followed me into a garage where we chatted about what happened! Was a nice bloke and really liked the LCR!

However, having said all of the above the Evo will beat an LCR at the following:

1) Standing starts.
2) Wet and poor surfaced roads.
3) Round corners.
4) Everything if the Evo has been modified significantly.

Having said that, why not have 90% of the Evos performance but 50% of the running costs and go for an LCR!

 

[ryan_s3]

Depends on driver aswell.I feel 100% more confident to push the evo than the s3,you needed to spend 2-3k to sort the s3 handling and even then it would not touch the evo.If your hammering it to work /motorways the s3/lcr is loads more comfy etc.If your car is a weekend warrior then evo all the way.
Not sure on the gearing either my 6 speed s3 box was very long throw and ratios weren't the best.My 5 speed evo box is loads better. The only real difference in servicing is the diff oil because if you have a modified lcr/s3 you should be changing the oil every 6000 anyway.

 

[LiCkWiD]

Oh man.. old school thread.

My questions were valid months ago, mean jack all now.

I've done some thinking since then and picked a LC for £6 with 60k on clock FSH and all that crap. Suits me fine atm. Getting a tad fed-up with the speed though.. (or relative lack of).. and as a result, I've just come back from a test-drive.

Escort Cosworth Lux. £16k Just under 390BHP at the mo. New job = new car. Not fussed about Evos. As mark said ages a go, finish the twisties and now it's time for a service. Doesn't interest me.

 

[ryan_s3]

If you think you shouldn't be servicing a 390bhp cossie every 6000miles then your wrong. £16k 1991 engineering. You could pick up a decent evo 8.
Anyway if it's what you've always wanted go for it you only live once.

 

[RobM]

No Evo will ever have the character and appeal of an Escort Cosworth though. Forget speed and handling, loads of boring cars can do that. The Cosworth is a classic and a real experience every time you turn the key.

 

[WeeJase]

can't wait for the new cupra owners to start the "today i whooped an evo" thread.
quicker than the old LCR handles MUCH better,so thats the playing field levelled slightly.

 

[Freewheelin']

Having owned an Escort Cosworth the experience I remember every time I turned the key was would it acually get me to my destination. Most unreliable high performance car I've ever owned. I had the Cosworth serviced every 5k miles (same as the Evo's) and this still didn't make it reliable.

Since then I've owned 2 Evo's....a VI for 5 years and an MR 320 for the last 2 years. Both have been utterly reliable in comparison and much better to drive....state of the art engineering v a car that was designed more or less 20 years ago. VIII MR's are fantastic value compared to an Escort Cosworth....mine is 402bhp (306ATW) and 370lbs/ft torque. This has been achieved with relatively minor mods....EcuTek remap/uprated fuel pump/decat/Apexi boost controller and modified airbox. Total cost of mods around £1200....an Escort Cosworth would cost a small fortune to (reliably) achieve simialar power.