Cupra vs R32

[GaryM]

i would also think a remapped ibiza would kill a stock r32

Kill? So I assume you mean leave it for dead?
I think there's quite a few dreamers here! It takes quite a bit more power (>50hp) to start pulling away easily assuming both drivers are giving it 100%.

Also I think you would need something pretty spectacular (apart from an over reading rolling road) to get 225hp out of a remapped K03 based 1.8T. Most K03sport 1.8T's don't get that with a remap alone!!
Maybe a 30hp jet of NOS?

 

[acidstrato]

read of it wot u will, but u dont own a k03 Ibiza do u

iv been in a 1.8T K03s Golf (standard and remapped) enough to know how they go, and they are considerably a different drive to the ibiza

theres this thing called power to weight ratio...u should look into it one day...it basically means that a stock R32 is not all that.

santa pod last year, at the GTi summer festival, i went against Golfgirl in her R32 which wasnt standard but i was at the time, and fair play she nailed me good. but her time was something most remapped Ibizas beat easily enough....i think she beat me by 1.4s
so yes i do think a remapped ibiza could leave a standard R32 quite easily

 

[acidstrato]

I think there's quite a few dreamers here!

thats funny to, a number of ppl have said the exact same about u...and some were even from UKMKIVs

take ur Golf to a track sometime (sprint or circuit) i'd love to see how it goes, cos it must go like stink if ur rolling roads are accurate

 

[Riddick_m3]

lmao

 

[The_one]

Mark 4 golfs are built like a tank. The GTI badges on them are a joke

Mark 2 and 3 Golf GTi's are the only true GTi in my eyes.

 

[acidstrato]

bout mark 1? the original? its a classic

G60s are soooo much better than GTis anyway

 

[Martyn]

Gary, if the RR was over reading then every other car must of been hugely down on power as the results on the day were spot on. But then...what do I know

 

[nogutsnoglory]

bout mark 1? the original? its a classic

G60s are soooo much better than GTis anyway

Totally agree, I've owned 2 mk1 golfs although not g60's or gti's but just the shape and originality is the definition to me of a golf, would much prefer the new polo gti to any later golf anyways, the mk4 r32 does look sweet and the build quality is superior to that of an ibiza but for the price tag i'd prefer 4 cupras lol

 

[GaryM]

thats funny to, a number of ppl have said the exact same about u...and some were even from UKMKIVs

take ur Golf to a track sometime (sprint or circuit) i'd love to see how it goes, cos it must go like stink if ur rolling roads are accurate

Nice

Anyway, if you really think a remapped Ibiza Cupra will 'kill' an R32 then I'll let you get on with it.

Why change the subject to my Golf? Thought we're talking about an Ibiza Cupra and an R32? Whilst on that topic......which rolling road printout(s) do you think are debatable?

 

[GaryM]

Gary, if the RR was over reading then every other car must of been hugely down on power as the results on the day were spot on. But then...what do I know

Martyn, its nothing personal mate
Im just going by results i've seen from other mapped Ibiza Cupra's, also Golfs which are running K03 turbos. They all seem to struggle to pull much, if any over 200bhp.
Are you running anything else thats not in your sig?

 

[GaryM]

Mark 4 golfs are built like a tank. The GTI badges on them are a joke

I agree, in standard form but once remapped they are a little different.

I wouldn't class mine a a tank and a joke, its less than 100kgs heavier than an Ibiza Cupra if the 1190kg for the Cupra is correct - 0-100 video

 

[acidstrato]

i never actually said any of ur RR results were debatable, and its pretty hard to say if any are when they are all pretty much the same give or take a few... tho theres is a nice jump when u change to quoting from the wheels rather than the fly

i do think that it is unfair comparing the K03 based Golfs which are non DBW, to the Ibiza cupra which is DBW and has notable differences to the AGU? engine. i think the the k03 is capable of more than 200, my estimate is around 220 max. its the intercooler which provides the main bottleneck imo

the actual kurb weight listed by the manufacturer is 1119kgs but in reality ppl who have had there ibiza weighed have found them to be more


i brought ur car up as an example of a typical remapped Golf GTi, alot of the GTi owners on ukmkivs believe that once remapped they are far quicker than a standard R32...do you think urs is?

 

[GaryM]

I was actually thinking of the ARZ not the AGU, its DBW with a K03 turbo.
What engine code does the Ibiza Cupra have?

I was in convoy with Tabs a while back not long after he bought his R32, mine was running Revo 4bar at the time with no FMIC or ATB diff. He murdered me from standing and left me for dead around roundabouts. Once on the straight though I started to pull on him though not by massive amounts, certainly enough to overtake though.
The same was repeated on the way to another meet a few months later, his car then had been remapped and was running a Carbonio. I still had the same spec. Again he left me for dead around roundabouts etc but this time on the straights there was nothing in it. We both accelerated from 30ish up to 130ish with nothing at all in it.

My car in its current form feels way quicker than when I had Revo and does pull away from R32's, I don't leave them for dead though. I'd class an R32 as very slightly slower than a well driven CTR.

The reason I started quoting wheel figures was due to the silly coastdown losses quoted by Awesome.
I now think that the wheel figures quoted are on the high side though.

 

[acidstrato]

hadnt heard of the ARZ, still id assume its a very different engine to the AYP in the ibiza

u say slightly slower than a well driven CTR..yet id consider my car in its current state to be more than able to pull away from a CTR too, whether it be a from a standing start to 60, 0-100, 30-70, 50-100 or 70-120 in 5th gear

as for ur 0-100 video u seem to hit 100 on the clocks within 14s which is pretty impressive, il give u that

perhaps 'kill' wasnt the most appropriate word, maybe 'noticeably quicker' is better

 

[GaryM]

Im obviously underestimating an Ibiza Cupra if you can do that to a CTR. Impressive stuff.

Using Windows Movie Maker I timed the run to an indicated 100 in 13.17seconds though it does sub 14s 0-100 when logged with vagcom.

 

[The_one]

I agree, in standard form but once remapped they are a little different.

I wouldn't class mine a a tank and a joke, its less than 100kgs heavier than an Ibiza Cupra if the 1190kg for the Cupra is correct - 0-100 video

It may "only" be 100kgs.

100kgs is a hell of a lot of weight when your talking about comparing one car with another with similar bhp

 

[GaryM]

It may "only" be 100kgs.

100kgs is a hell of a lot of weight when your talking about comparing one car with another with similar bhp

Apart from we aren't are we?
Last rolling road day at Awesome showed mine with 40-45whp and 55-65lbs more torque than a couple of Ibiza Cupras, one with a Custom-Code map, the other with an APR map.

Custom-Code Ibiza Cupra

APR Ibiza Cupra

Mine

 

[The_one]

On your site how come in one graph it shows 239bhp at the flywheel then a few months later another graph at awesome *cough* shows 226bhp at the wheels yet above the graphs your spec is the same

 

[The_one]

This thread was about R32's vs remapped cupras so where do you fit into it?

I still maintain that a remapped ibiza cupra/R will beat an R32 1/4 mile, 0 - 60 and 0 - 100.

 

[GaryM]

My car was brought into it, not by me.

239bhp was a flywheel figure!!!!

I agree that a remapped Cupra R will beat an R32 0-100 but not 0-60 assuming the R32 driver knows how to launch his/her car.