Diesel Scrappage

[craigr73]

Anyone any thoughts on the proposed scrappage they are talking about. I have a 3 yr old Leon which I can afford to replace.

Also came across this article today too .....

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/767778/diesel-drivers-car-tracking-fine-emissions-pollution

 

[Deleted member 103408]

I suspect the following article has it about right http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-plans-diesel-scrappage-scheme-cut-emissions/

The Government will target:

"The oldest and most polluting diesel vehicles in areas where emissions levels are particularly high.

I also saw on one of the VW Forums last week that VW are considering not making Diesels after 2020 as its going to cost them too much to meet all the requirements.

Having said that Govt will also want to reduce petrol car CO2 Emissions so I guess we are all going to be moving to electric cars as soon as they can make them work for normal people.

 

[Curtly]

It's probably just a another money spinner for the government. Just think It'll make people hand over their cars that are probably £20- £30 tax a year and buy a new one which will be £140 a year.

A no brainer as far as road tax goes.

 

[craigr73]

Yeah no brainier I agree, but will be a shame if people have to swap cars after they were purchased in good faith. Plus I like my car and won't be able to get one as nice - can't afford a cupra


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[TheVoice]

Yeah no brainier I agree, but will be a shame if people have to swap cars after they were purchased in good faith. Plus I like my car and won't be able to get one as nice - can't afford a cupra


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They're not going to encourage you to scrap a car that new.

 

[DEAN0]

It's happening in Europe already.
Germany and France have both introduced the emissions sticker system.
If your car does not qualify for a green sticker based on emissions - it can't go in to major cities ( similar to London congestion zone but tougher )

France have already banned older cars and bikes from city centres during the week regardless of fuel type.

They are in their own fekked up way trying to get older car owners to buy newer cars.

What they still can't see is that many of those driving the cars they want off the road - can't afford a newer car.

 

[craigr73]

All I know is that it seems to be on the news everyday and it is making me nervous. Was hoping to keep it for another 5 years or so...


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[Curtly]

We're probably talking diesel's pre 2007 I'd imagine

 

[kiddo]

Yes I suspect onus will be on pre-dpf diesels.

 

[mty12345]

All this is what happens when you let treehuggers and other unwashed types, dictate government policy! Most of them can't even open a bottle of shampoo, let alone begin to understand the composition of vehicle exhaust gases.

In the name of 'saving' us all from a 1C temp rise in 2065, they decided it was better to literally poison our cities with clouds of highly carcinogenic soot instead!

These are the same climate 'scientists' who can't get the weather forcast for a few days in advance right. What makes any sensible person believe that they can model climate change down to 1C, 50 years in advance!

 

[kazand]

Yes I suspect onus will be on pre-dpf diesels.

and on people who have de dpf'd theirs....

 

[Benjyshwa]

So have the diesel engines changed at all for the mk3 leons?

I'm sure I saw a graph saying that Seat diesels were pretty good with NO2 compared with other manufacturers, particularly fiats/alfas

 

[lil3520]

What about my poor old mk 4 Ibiza 1.9 TDI Sport 08 plate. Had it from new.
Can't let it go !!!!!
Got a Mk 5 Ibiza 1.2 Tsi Fr 5 Dr as a family car now.
Still love driving my old mk 4 !!!!!

Andy

 

[Deleted member 103408]

Dont worry govt have to make a descion first. Based on the european model i suspect you just wont be able to drive into certain towns.

 

[craigr73]

Well my local city is on the hit list and I suspect they will jump on the band wagon given half a chance.


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[fabiavrs2004]

A realistic start point would be to ban anything not Euro V compliant, this would generally mean anything without a dpf. This is one of the reasons I replaced my 04 Fabiavrs VRS with the 1.4 cod. This weeks autocar has an article saying that VW has stopped development on diesels under 2 litre as the cost of the emission control kit is as much as the engine itself. Petrol hybrids are one of the futures

 

[chriswales6]

It’s unlikely that the Mk3 Leon TDI would be included in any upcoming scrappage scheme, at least not for a good few years. Since they’re relativity new and clean(ish) but they may suffer some of the fallout if tax is increased on owning and running a diesel.

My Mk1 Leon TDI would be right the firing line, which would be a shame since I’ve had it for 11 years and planed to keep it going for as long as I could. It would depend on the details of any scheme but I don’t think I’d be rushing to send my car to the crusher. The 2009 scheme gave you £2,000 to buy a new car, given the cost of cars these days I’d still have to put in a shed load of my own money which isn’t ideal. I’m guessing it’s likely that the new car would have to be a low emission petrol. I do a motorway commute and co-workers have small petrol’s and they’re not very comfortable to travel and struggle to get 40MPG. While my 1.9TDI returns 55MPG and has a lot more mid range pull.

I would miss my old AHF thumper if I’m forced to sell it while it’s still serving me well.