Engine Rebuild Leon 2.0 TDI FR DPF

Green Mamba

Active Member
Feb 22, 2008
65
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Warwickshire
(Skip to the line break to skip the back story if you are not interested)

Well, considering my last car was a 2003 1.9 TDI Cupra, which gave me over 3 years of reliable, enjoyable motoring, my upgrade has been a strange experiance.

Back in Feburary I purchased a Leon 2.0 TDI FR DPF in Emotion Red, 52K miles on the clock, got them to service it and change the cam belt within the price at the time.

Immediately I thought it was a much nicer car, more comfortable, easier to drive, easier to park, a better use of interior space. I handeled just as well and provided as much more comfortable ride.

I just found myself dissapointed with the Engine and Gearbox. Yes it has more power, but it feels like you have to work much harder and find the right revs to get the most out of it, the 1.9 unit was much better at using the power available I felt. The gearbox, the gearing has certainly changed, you couldn't get to 70 in 3rd before, but it didn't feel as mechanically solid, it wasn't as pleasant to shift.

The main irritation I have had with it, is the constant DPF light coming on after any recent town driving or as I noticed seemingly using cheaper supermarket diesel.

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Having serviced the car after 12K miles and 5 months I was driving home down the M1 after my last job before going on holiday the next day. I was in 6th gear cruising at 70-75.

I suddenly received a coil light and engine workshop warning. The car kept going, after a few minutes I noticed a power lost and struggled to stay at 60 without dropping to 4th. I got off the motor way, pulled up in a service station. Switched the engine off, gave it a few minutes, fired it up, no errors, no warnings, nothing abnormal.

I rejoined the motorway slip road, overtaking a lorry on the slip lane I dropped into 4th and there was an all mighty clunk. Not from the gearbox, the car was still going but there was a strange noise and the car was shaking. I pulled up the hard shoulder quite quickly. Again killed the engine, started it up again, the whole car was shaking in idle with a the engine shaking the bay.

Clearly it wasn't going anywhere and it wasn't a good idea to run it any longer. In the process of getting onto a recovery vehicle it struggled to find any power to get over the bar into the lifting arm over the recovery truck. When I reversed it off, that's when it went from a rumbling to a jackhammer type noise.

I had it recovered by my local garage, they looked at, they did an oil pressure check which it had, they thought that or the injectors, they didn't seem too keen to work on it as they weren't able to deal with the injectors. They took it to my nearest main dealer.

They took a few days to diagnose it, but it turned out to be a failed inlet manifold. The find have broken off and caused extensive damage to the engine. I'm still at a loss to how this was caused.

Unfortunately, I'm not under warranty for such a major problem. Thus my previous faith in the reliability of VAG engine units tarnished. Especially these new 2.0 units.

I have several options available to me. Seat seemed to pull a figure out of their back side, the two being a new engine, fitting and warranty at £6K or a rebuild at £7-8K: confused::cry:

I've been doing some research and have come across 2 main companies.

http://www.nationalenginecentre.co.uk/

Based in Cardiff, £1500 for collection, rebuild or replacement with a refurbished unit. With 12 months warranty. This does not include anything else that may be damaged such as Injectors, Turbo etc.

http://www.365engines.co.uk/

Originally came across this just looking for a quote for second hand engines. They quoted me £1200 for a 33K engine with Injectors & Pump - Delivery only.

I discussed the possibility of a rebuild and mentioned he wasn't just a scrap yard and dealt

Has anyone heard of or has had any dealings with either company. What is anyone's thoughts on the matter. Seat don't believe the injectors have been damaged, but I'm also concerned about the DPF and the Turbo.

Also, I'm, on 68K, It's been suggested I change the clutch/flywheel while I am at it and even consider going for an upgraded turbo??

I'm slightly overwhelmed with numbers and options. Can anyone else recommend a VW engine specialist perhaps more local to me in Warwickshire.

At least I have a ball park figure now. Still I am so confused what the hell has gone wrong with it.

Help?:shrug:
 

betty_swollox

Richie
Feb 15, 2011
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Washington
That's proper **** mate. Wouldn't fancy paying £8k for an engine rebuild, the car itself won't even be worth that much.

There's a few VAG specialists and I'm pretty sure they'll post on here (or someone with a bit more knowledge than me will pass their details on to you).

Good luck mate!
 

bondy

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I've been doing some research and have come across 2 main companies.

http://www.nationalenginecentre.co.uk/

Based in Cardiff, £1500 for collection, rebuild or replacement with a refurbished unit. With 12 months warranty. This does not include anything else that may be damaged such as Injectors, Turbo etc.
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Do not touch them with a barg pole. Two of my customers used them and the cars came back worse. Both cars making several trips back and forth due to issues before coming into us.

Haven't heard of the other company.

Sorry to hear your unfortunate situation. The other option could be to source your own engine and you will look at around £400 - 500 to get it fitted or speak to your local specialist who might be able to get a second hand engine and fit it for you.

Good luck, feel your pain.
 

Al

Active Member
Aug 29, 2005
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Bad news - sorry to read about this.

If it was me, I would be installing a used engine with whatever warranty comes with it. Much much cheaper option. As mentioned before, the price of a new engine etc is prohibitive vs the value of the car.
 

OLDOILER

Full Member
Jul 28, 2005
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Wiltshire, UK
Very sorry to hear of your woes Green Mamba, to rub even more salt in your wounds be mindful of: suspect injectors [ Siemens, Bosch are OK] DMF and oil pump failures too. In the last 5yrs or so German engineering is NOT what it used to be.

VAG GRp.,BMW and MB are suffering too of poor reiabilty/design issues [BMW with turbos, and disintergrating intake butterflies MB with injectors/wiring and electronic issues and of course VAG and its associated Marques. ...........................!! You have not said where you are located, the chaps on here may know of a good independant garage near you ???
 

Green Mamba

Active Member
Feb 22, 2008
65
2
Warwickshire
Do not touch them with a barg pole. Two of my customers used them and the cars came back worse. Both cars making several trips back and forth due to issues before coming into us.

I think the guys name is Peter Anderson, a 10 minute session of google along with your nail in the coffin has just put myself right off them.

This other company in Bolton has been quite helpfull. They have given me quite a few options from second hand engines, rebuild etc. Seat don't believe the injectors are damaged, but it's possible the turbo is. In which case I've allready been priced £300 for a refurbished low mileage unit.

At least now I have figures in my head. I reckon the total bill is going to be between 1500 and 2500

I'm still waiting for the main dealer Seat (Marshall's Leicester to be specific) who have my car to produce a proper quote of what needs to be done, it's been 2 days since they said £6k new engine.

Very sorry to hear of your woes Green Mamba, to rub even more salt in your wounds be mindful of: suspect injectors [ Siemens, Bosch are OK] DMF and oil pump failures too. In the last 5yrs or so German engineering is NOT what it used to be.

VAG GRp.,BMW and MB are suffering too of poor reiabilty/design issues [BMW with turbos, and disintergrating intake butterflies MB with injectors/wiring and electronic issues and of course VAG and its associated Marques. ...........................!! You have not said where you are located, the chaps on here may know of a good independant garage near you ???

It was in my post but it was quite long, I'm in Warwickshire near Coventry. I agree, VAG engineering just isn't what it was. It's very disappointing, the Mk1 felt bombproof. I think I'm going to have take warranties much more seriously in future, it's an expensive lesson really.
 
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