FMIC vs Std Intercooler Logs

rhysox

Ibiza Cupra 1.8T
Jun 18, 2007
438
0
Cardiff
Alright guys, met up with mr_D tonight to do some logging.

As some of you may know, mr_D just got his intercooler fitted, it's a universal one I believe, but im sure he'll correct me if i'm wrong! I've got the standard ibiza intercooler fitted. According to the dash, outside temps were about 12 degrees.

Both cars have a stage-1 map, mine is AmD, mr_D's is Jabbasport, and both cars have the k03 turbo. Same conditions and same bit of road, one after another.

Firstly my logs to show standard intercooler logs:

Code:
Wednesday	23	April	2008	22:33:17											
6K0 906 032 AA		1.8L 20VT EU3       0002													
															
	Group A:	115				Group B:	118				Group C:	002			
		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow
	TIME					TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
	0.01	1640	95.5	1840	1390	0.4	1680	24	95.3	1430	0.8	1760	100.8	12.71	35.33
	1.2	1840	103	2010	1520	1.6	1920	24	95.3	1560	2.11	2000	109	13.53	42.33
	2.51	2080	113.5	2050	1660	2.91	2160	24	95.3	1710	3.31	2240	121.1	15.58	54.78
	3.71	2360	124.8	2000	1830	4.11	2440	25	69	1890	4.51	2520	135.3	18.04	67
	4.91	2640	139.8	1980	2040	5.31	2720	26	65.1	2040	5.71	2800	136.8	18.45	72.64
	6.11	2920	137.6	1970	1970	6.51	3000	27	65.1	1990	6.91	3120	140.6	18.86	82.25
	7.31	3200	139.1	1950	1980	7.71	3280	29	64.3	1950	8.11	3360	138.3	18.86	89
	8.51	3480	139.1	1910	1960	8.91	3560	31	63.9	1920	9.31	3640	134.6	18.04	96.25
	9.71	3720	136.1	1940	1930	10.11	3840	33	63.9	1930	10.51	3920	135.3	18.45	102.11
	10.89	3960	135.3	1970	1940	11.31	4080	35	65.5	1930	11.8	4160	138.3	19.68	113.06
	12.2	4240	139.1	1960	1940	12.6	4320	37	67.8	1960	13.12	4440	142.1	20.5	122.06
	13.52	4520	143.6	1960	1970	13.92	4600	39	69.4	1950	14.32	4680	143.6	20.91	128.69
	14.72	4760	144.4	1930	1940	15.12	4800	41	70.6	1930	15.52	4880	143.6	21.32	134.64
	15.92	4960	143.6	1920	1920	16.3	5000	43	72.2	1910	16.7	5080	142.9	21.73	138.42
	17.1	5160	141.4	1850	1890	17.5	5200	45	70.2	1860	17.9	5240	137.6	21.32	137.33
	18.3	5280	135.3	1850	1850	18.7	5320	47	70.2	1850	19.1	5400	134.6	21.73	140.56
	19.5	5440	133.8	1850	1820	19.9	5480	48	70.6	1820	20.3	5520	131.6	21.73	138.19

And here are Ryans logs (FMIC)

Code:
Wednesday	23	April	2008	22:56:29											
6K0 906 032 AA		1.8L 20VT EU3       0002													
															
	Group A:	115				Group B:	118				Group C:	2			
		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow
	TIME					TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
	0.01	1600	58.6	1000	1080	0.9	1640	24	93.7	1080	0.4	1560	23.3	1.64	4.5
	1.39	1680	89.5	1730	1190	2.3	1840	23	94.1	1340	1.79	1760	95.5	11.89	33.89
	2.7	1920	105.3	1760	1390	3.5	2040	22	93.7	1510	3.1	1960	112	13.94	43.64
	3.9	2120	124.1	1810	1580	4.7	2280	21	91	1700	4.3	2200	130.1	15.99	55.39
	5.1	2360	137.6	1900	1770	5.89	2520	22	87.1	1910	5.49	2440	142.9	18.04	68.42
	6.29	2600	154.1	2000	1990	7.09	2840	23	84.7	2130	6.69	2720	161.7	20.91	86.14
	7.5	2920	172.9	1990	2210	8.29	3160	24	74.9	2330	7.89	3040	179.7	22.96	102.97
	8.69	3240	181.2	1960	2310	9.49	3440	25	63.5	1970	9.09	3360	160.9	21.73	99.92
	9.89	3520	155.6	1940	1970	10.69	3680	26	63.1	1970	10.3	3600	154.1	21.73	106.33
	11.1	3760	154.9	1950	1960	12	3960	27	63.1	1960	11.5	3840	154.9	22.14	113.47
	12.4	4040	154.9	1940	1940	13.2	4200	28	63.9	1940	12.8	4120	156.4	22.55	121.42
	13.6	4240	156.4	1930	1950	14.4	4400	30	64.7	1950	14	4320	157.1	23.37	130.94
	14.8	4480	155.6	1920	1930	15.6	4600	30	65.9	1940	15.2	4520	155.6	23.78	133.58
	16	4680	155.6	1910	1930	16.8	4800	32	65.9	1900	16.4	4720	154.9	23.78	139.25
	17.2	4840	152.6	1850	1880	18.09	5000	32	65.5	1840	17.6	4920	151.9	23.37	140.61
	18.49	5040	150.4	1840	1830	19.29	5160	33	67.5	1830	18.89	5080	150.4	23.37	144.81
	19.81	5200	148.1	1850	1830	20.7	5320	34	69.8	1820	20.21	5240	148.1	23.37	147.25
	21.2	5360	145.9	1840	1800	22.09	5480	35	73.3	1790	21.69	5400	143.6	22.96	148.11

We thought this would be useful for showing the difference :)

rhys
 
Nov 2, 2004
9,335
0
South Wales
Rev it more, wimps.

13 degrees less than a smic isnt that great tbh, i hardly get over 25º at the moment on my forge with phenolic spacer fyi.
 
Nov 2, 2004
9,335
0
South Wales
Yeah, more heat, increased timing etc...

I think back to back runs would show how good the fmic is compared to the smic, thats where the fmic comes into its own to run for longer with heatsoak at bay.
 
Dec 3, 2007
2,475
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cardiff
Rev it more, wimps.

13 degrees less than a smic isnt that great tbh, i hardly get over 25º at the moment on my forge with phenolic spacer fyi.

cheers phil. i will tell that car to move next time as well. :lol:

so 13deg lower is crap then?
 
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Nov 2, 2004
9,335
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South Wales
Whoa, i didnt say it was crap, you missed the point, i'm saying its not a massive amount lower, but the good thing is it wont continue to rise as much as the smic. :D

I bet its far more than 13º after a few runs tho! Which is what you want.


My forge fmic done at roughly the same ambients...

Code:
2480	15	0	1070
1920	14	100	1030
2000	14	100	1300
2120	14	100	1610
2320	15	100	2000
2640	15	85.5	2450
2920	15	82.4	2540
3200	17	81.2	2540
3480	18	79.2	2540
3720	18	76.9	2540
4000	20	73.3	2510
4240	21	66.7	2480
4480	21	58	2400
4680	23	42.7	2340
4880	24	38.8	2070
5080	24	38.8	2050
5240	25	36.1	2100
5400	26	36.5	2060
5520	27	38.4	2040
5680	28	38.8	2020
5800	29	38.4	2000
5880	30	40	1980
6000	31	41.6	1980

Probably about 3-4 runs in this was done.


Note 41.6 WG duty at 6k, hardly trying!
 

rhysox

Ibiza Cupra 1.8T
Jun 18, 2007
438
0
Cardiff
could the map not be tinkered with to make the turbo work harder to produce more boost? and thus more power? or am i totally misunderstanding wastegate duty
 
Nov 2, 2004
9,335
0
South Wales
Yeah it could be, but i'm maxed out on stage 2, thats why i'll be gettin a boost controller to try to smooth out the spike and hold more boost up top.


But back to topic....
 
Dec 3, 2007
2,475
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cardiff
mine was the 3rd run mind! and we were driving a little while to get where we were doing it. plus i let my car cool down for about 5min after a 15min drive to get to where we were parked before we started. all in all the time took us about 5 min to get to the start and about another 8-10min to get to another point for on the way back and then 5min to get to where we were parked again. and i did this twice!

and apologise i wasnt being funny. should of put it better than that. sorry phil
 
Dec 3, 2007
2,475
0
cardiff
Whoa, i didnt say it was crap, you missed the point, i'm saying its not a massive amount lower, but the good thing is it wont continue to rise as much as the smic. :D

I bet its far more than 13º after a few runs tho! Which is what you want.


My forge fmic done at roughly the same ambients...

Code:
2480	15	0	1070
1920	14	100	1030
2000	14	100	1300
2120	14	100	1610
2320	15	100	2000
2640	15	85.5	2450
2920	15	82.4	2540
3200	17	81.2	2540
3480	18	79.2	2540
3720	18	76.9	2540
4000	20	73.3	2510
4240	21	66.7	2480
4480	21	58	2400
4680	23	42.7	2340
4880	24	38.8	2070
5080	24	38.8	2050
5240	25	36.1	2100
5400	26	36.5	2060
5520	27	38.4	2040
5680	28	38.8	2020
5800	29	38.4	2000
5880	30	40	1980
6000	31	41.6	1980

Probably about 3-4 runs in this was done.


Note 41.6 WG duty at 6k, hardly trying!


which one is the intake temp on this phil? and what is a phenolic spacer:confused:
 
Dec 3, 2007
2,475
0
cardiff
am i right in saying thats the one on the intercooler. down on crap plastic pipe that you have probably not got any more(ie have the forge one)
 
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