I kind of feel you on this, but then again not.
Trade the POS and get something else, or suck it up like a big boy.
Going in for door rattle fix on thursday
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I kind of feel you on this, but then again not.
Trade the POS and get something else, or suck it up like a big boy.
I agree I've not had a car that doesn't have some rattles - there are thousands of parts after all.
However, I've never had one that rattles over surfaces with minor blemishes. Rattles when going over a pothole = fair enough. Rattles going over a surface that was laid a couple of years ago = annoying.
However, I've never had one that rattles over surfaces with minor blemishes. Rattles when going over a pothole = fair enough. Rattles going over a surface that was laid a couple of years ago = annoying.
Go on then, please explain!
Just so I can get my head around you and your friends reasoning:
I bought a car, from a reputable company for a reasonable sum of money. Said car is badly built and of poor quality. Your answer to this is basically 'Tough luck, its your fault, get rid of it at your own expense or put up with it (at your own ongoing expense)'
That makes sense to you? Really?
So this car has rattled from day one. Should I have taken it back the next week and traded it in for a £5k loss because of the luck of the draw? Or I should just take it as an expensive lesson and roll over?
I seriously find the pair of you hard to believe. This is either an amateur trolling attempt or common sense has gone extinct.
If its all the same with you Im going to take ridiculous option number three, which is attempt to get the car fixed in the hope of getting what I paid for without any further outlay.
In the future, yes it will be traded in. Not at the SEAT garage, but it will be traded in!
Go on then, please explain!
Just so I can get my head around you and your friends reasoning:
I bought a car, from a reputable company for a reasonable sum of money. Said car is badly built and of poor quality. Your answer to this is basically 'Tough luck, its your fault, get rid of it at your own expense or put up with it (at your own ongoing expense)'
That makes sense to you? Really?
So this car has rattled from day one. Should I have taken it back the next week and traded it in for a £5k loss because of the luck of the draw? Or I should just take it as an expensive lesson and roll over?
I seriously find the pair of you hard to believe. This is either an amateur trolling attempt or common sense has gone extinct.
If its all the same with you Im going to take ridiculous option number three, which is attempt to get the car fixed in the hope of getting what I paid for without any further outlay.
In the future, yes it will be traded in. Not at the SEAT garage, but it will be traded in!
Dont take this the wrong way, but - waaah waaah waaah, that's my explanation.
I have never in my driving career had a rattle free car and I have driven over 900,000 miles give or take. By the time I retire in 5 years I will have passed 1 million miles.
List of cars with rattles:
Ford Cortina x2, Sierrax3 Astra Mk II x2 Astra Mk III, Cavalier, Honda Accord , Vectra x3, Vectra Mk2 , BMW 3 series, Peugeot 405 Sri but more rattles than all other cars added together, Ford Mondeo Mk II, Toyota Avensis x3 Audi A4, BMW 3 series, Citroen C4, Citroen DS4, Corsa C, Corsa D and a Mk II Nova. the worst two cars were the Peugeot 405 and the Honda accord, there were driving around in a box of spanners dragging a trailer full of spoons over cobbled streets. All of these cars have been from either delivery mileage or less than 1 year old demo miles.
and now after 30,000 miles my Leon ST FR has developed a creaking in the centre console from cold that clears as the car gets warm and a vibration in the drivers door from the led strip on certain types of road surfaces. Solution #1 turn up heating, solution # 2 turn up radio, or find a different road with non-vibrating surface.
Like you, I do a lot of miles (40-50k a year for the last 27 years) all covered in a variety of cars & vans that all had 'characteristics' ...... worst for rattles? A Unimog , followed very closely by a Haaglunds BV tracked thing I had the (mis) fortune to drive.....
The Escort I had wasn't much better but that was mainly all the crap in the back.
Current Leon is (touch wood) rattle free. Last Mk 2 (62 LCR) was solid too, previous 10 FR had a couple but nowt I didn't get used to.
Upshot: if you are that unhappy with rattles (and have the time) take it back to dealer and stamp your feet till they fix it. Or park it outside with a big sign on it......
Just to cheer you up, I went out with a colleague last week, in a 64 Qashqui thing, the dash (and something under the bonnet) rattled worse than my ex wife at idle. And my boss has a Mazda CX5 ( again, 64 plate) which he reckons is starting to fall apart.
I blame the recycled plastic shite they are having to fit now, in order to save the planet and conform to EU rules. So basically, you put up with the rattles or have polar bears turning up on your doorstep with a red spotted hankie on the end of a stick.
Everyones got to be a friend to the polar bears I guess! I think Ive been unlucky to be honest. I enjoy driving the car when its ok but the bad days are torture, especially now its freeezing ha ha. Think I' ll be less annoyed once the clunking has been fixed!
I have a Skoda Citigo with the same engine and after 3 months of ownership, surprisingly I'm quite impressed with it.
Granted, the three cylinder engine sounds a bit weird and the lump itself is quite close to the passenger compartment with not much in the way of sound insulation in between. At steady speed on A roads/motorways it is fairly civilised.
It's a basic normally aspirated engine, no direct injection, VVT or turbos to fatten the low/mid range torque curve so not really fair to compare a 900kg car with 75PS to the wife's 1300kg Leon FR with 180+PS and gobs of torque. It's more than adequate for urban use and the zero cost road tax, 60mpg consumption and insurance for a 17 year old for less than a grand are welcome bonuses.
Materials are low-rent but the fit and finish is spot on. It's a sturdy little thing too (NCAP 5 rating). Heated seats are something we don't have on the Leon and if our Citigo had the optional parking sensors and cruise control it would be almost perfect.
The Citigo is 6 months newer than the Leon, has 9,000 less miles on the clock but the total absence of squeaks and rattles on this £10K motor puts the £24K Leon in a bad light. Made in the same Slovakian factory as the Audi A7.
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Got to agree with Villers as i find myself in the same situation. I have rattles in both doors, 2 door cards replaced, A-post fixes and numerous road tests have not brought us any further forward. I am a vehicle technician, and have had loads of different cars. Most have had wee tweaks and creaks but nothing like the god awful rattles in this Leon cupra. I got the car brand new, so yes my expectation is maybe inflated on it as a result. Take aside the list price (32k), the type of car, its supposed vw build quality etc... in this day and age, with the car market as savage as it is, the last thing you expect to hear is horrendous rattles from the interior. They CANNOT be ignored or drowned out with a radio. This car is supposed to be a mix between refinement and performance but its fails miserably on build quality, therefore cannot be considered refined. This is a widespread issue, i had a diesel leon as a courtesy car, and it not only had the same rattle, but louder rattles coming from the door area.
Car manufacturers spend a lot of money engineering cars so that all components work harmoniously after assembly. Great effort is taken to ensure the interior is tightly screwed together to give the car a 'solid feel', and is designed and manufactured to be as quiet and comfortable as possible.
So as for rattles? Nah! Never will this be accepted by the masses on brand new/newish cars. People expect near perfection nowadays on cars at every price. If we were warned that our cars might have bad rattles and noisy interiors before we actually bought a car, i wud bet my house that this would put off about 80% of buyers.....
Thoughts please.....
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Firstly I'm surprised as a vehicle technician you haven't had a crack at fixing them yourself if they irritate you so much?
Secondly I really doubt 80% of potentials car buyers put interior rattles down as one of their deciding factors.
I went for the leon as it's absolutely stunning to look at, very cheap to run be it insurance, tax or servicing; generous standard specification, it's quick, economical, handles great, rides well and doesn't break the bank.
One or two rattles is not going to put me off an absolutely fantastic car.
Secondly I really doubt 80% of potentials car buyers put interior rattles down as one of their deciding factors.
I went for the leon as it's absolutely stunning to look at, very cheap to run be it insurance, tax or servicing; generous standard specification, it's quick, economical, handles great, rides well and doesn't break the bank.
One or two rattles is not going to put me off an absolutely fantastic car.
I see where you are coming from, but when your car is literally days old, you vision yourself having to diagnose and rectify faults on it. Had i known that 10 weeks down the line i would be more further forward, maybe i would have had a stab at it myself. Interior rattles are notoriously tricky to find and difficult to fix, however I had hoped a specialist would have been able to rectify it quickly and painlessly, not so
I have driven hundreds of brand new cars straight from factory as part of my job and have also owned several cars of all marques, shapes and sizes. Never have i heard a noise from a brand new car, and never anything as all consuming as the noise in this Leon Cupra. My previous cars have been VW, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW. I chose the SEAT just for the hell of it. Its a fantastic machine with great performance, economy and technology. But based on my rattle experience, the build quality isnt there. I still have my last car (C class), 5 years old and completely rattle and noise free from the interior, this is what i expect from a car with a supposed 32k list price
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Gaffnaldo and Villers, your expect too much from a car with a supposed 32k list price.
Seriously, cars are not made as good as they can be, wake up guys!!
Cars are made as cheaply as they can, full of compromises in a best way they can.
You really should buy some Pagani or Singer911 with your demands for build quality.
Yes rattles are not nice, but as for my case it took 30minutes to cure them and as a plus my Seat SoundSystem sounds better than ever.
Did i cry about it for dealer, yes...they said what is the problem and told me how they would fix it,
but i opted to DIY coz i knew i will do it better.
Try to understand it, everything is made by as cost efficiently as possible.
And it is not just SEAT, it goes for every mass production car.
I work in a company who has over 21000 cars, i see the service bills every day,
i see the complaints from Audis, BMWs to Volkswagens they are all the same.
And oh btw...your dealer workshop sucks if they dont know how to fix this.
Seriously, cars are not made as good as they can be, wake up guys!!
Cars are made as cheaply as they can, full of compromises in a best way they can.
You really should buy some Pagani or Singer911 with your demands for build quality.
Yes rattles are not nice, but as for my case it took 30minutes to cure them and as a plus my Seat SoundSystem sounds better than ever.
Did i cry about it for dealer, yes...they said what is the problem and told me how they would fix it,
but i opted to DIY coz i knew i will do it better.
Try to understand it, everything is made by as cost efficiently as possible.
And it is not just SEAT, it goes for every mass production car.
I work in a company who has over 21000 cars, i see the service bills every day,
i see the complaints from Audis, BMWs to Volkswagens they are all the same.
And oh btw...your dealer workshop sucks if they dont know how to fix this.
Blind acceptance of **** build quality by people such as yourself is a huge contributor to the contempt that companies like SEAT has for its customers. Its not a big ask for a vehicle produced in 2014 to not have **** build quality, bugs and design flaws. If you think thats acceptable then more fool you.
I will agree with you on the dealer though, Ive been in today and Im 100% convinced that now is the time to leave the brand and those idiots behind me.
I will agree with you on the dealer though, Ive been in today and Im 100% convinced that now is the time to leave the brand and those idiots behind me.
it is a poorly built car for its list price really , personally i don`t know why anyone would pay 32k for a seat really my first y reg mk1 was the best seat i had , 2nd mk1 fr was a pile o shitte
left the brand for 8 years and thought the mk3 looked good at first glance but the ownership experience is not great really kick myself for coming back really.
door cards did rattle but fixed that myself , speedo came loose and started to rattle , a pillar trims started to rattle fixed that also myself , back seats rattle no way to repair them other than spray wd40 on the mechanism once a month . dab radio losses reception sometimes when using the indicator , seat bolsters squeak on the plastic base of seat , arm rest does not lock in properly all the time , car rolls back some times when reversing hill hold is not that great .
rain sensing wipers have mind of their own, sat nav is slow , browsing sd folders is cumbersome .
not a great car really but all new cars are seriously overpriced now , no wonder 80% are leased.
will buy a 2nd hand merc or bmw next time
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Wow thats quite a list. Lets add the poor dealer support to it though, went in today to.find no customer service guy there, just one salesman sat behind a desk at the far end of the showroom playing on his phone. I asked him for a settlement figure because I wanted shot of my car abd he didnt even ask why!
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